Features in SH1 and Aces That Have Since "Disappeared"

[tater]

Yeah, you cannot fix a fundamental problem like the inability for units (and groups) to properly zig-zag as virtually ALL ships do in war zones. Not having ZZing is like not having depth charges on escorts. It's that fundamental.

Real, complex ZZ patterns, too, not simplistic /\/\/\/\ stuff.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by trenken

The good thing about PC games is you still have a machine that can run those old games.

Not really. In theory there is a work through to play SH1 on Windows XP, but I have not have much luck with it.

[Rosencrantz]

Was radar in SH1 showing landmasses too, not just ships? Or do I remeber this wrong?


-RC-

[razark]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Not really. In theory there is a work through to play SH1 on Windows XP, but I have not have much luck with it.

Try DOSBox. It seems to work pretty well for me. I had a problem earlier, but I reinstalled SH, and it's working great.

Originally Posted by Rosencrantz

Was radar in SH1 showing landmasses too, not just ships? Or do I remeber this wrong?

Yes, Landmasses showed up on the radar. It made tracking targets near islands more of a challenge.

[Spruence M]

I read two pages of posts here and had to stop.

Long live hopes and dreams and may we look to the future for a better sub sim.

I'm seeing another company producing the game. I hope.

[Kapitanleutnant]

Good to see this thread again.

[raymond6751]

I think the problem has been getting developers who played the earlier versions or even understood what they had to begin with.

You would think as the systems got more powerful, we'd get more game, not less game and more limitations.

In the attempt to use all the bells and whistles of the latest equipment and programming concepts, they have lost an opportunity to enhance what was already great.

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by raymond6751

I think the problem has been getting developers who played the earlier versions or even understood what they had to begin with.

You would think as the systems got more powerful, we'd get more game, not less game and more limitations.

In the attempt to use all the bells and whistles of the latest equipment and programming concepts, they have lost an opportunity to enhance what was already great.

I think you have at least three problems

1) The market has changed, sims are not hot sellers anymore, the casual gamer wants insta-gatifiaction. sims require a level of commitment and patiance that most people are not willing to invest in a game.
For this reason sims dont get the budget and development time as tripple AAA title like COD or GTA.

2) Developers constantly try to 're-inevent the wheel' and strive for innovation, I guess this for a number reasons, one being not recieve flak for putting out an unoriginal product and second to keep things intresting for themselves.
At the same sime they have to be carful not to alienate their market, hen why most games fall in to a well established genre with just a few minor never seen before features.

3) The cost of games develepment it tenfold was it once was, all the technalogical advances mean that everthing is now way more complicated and time consuming to impelment.
Devs do what they can int he time they have, proffssionals or not - they are only human and sometimes make the wrong decisions.

Silent Hunter should have stuck to its orginal formula and gone down the DLC add-on road, that is the only way to get a complete sim these days.
Trouble is that many sub simmers tend to be a more mature audiance in there 30's and 40's, and Ive noticed that quite a few are (no offence) abit set in their ways, for instance I saw a thread where many of us here said they refuse to buy into things like DLC, and want everything on a disk.
Oh come on! Its 2010 for christ sakes... and its the begining of the end for optical media!
Roll with it grandpa

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by JU_88

Silent Hunter should have stuck to its orginal formula and gone down the DLC add-on road, that is the only way to get a complete sim these days.

But which one? SH1? SH2? Or does DLC include upgrades to newer graphics as well? If so, then I'm all for it.

Trouble is that many sub simmers tend to be a more mature audiance in there 30's and 40's, and Ive noticed that quite a few are (no offence) abit set in their ways, for instance I saw a thread where many of us here said they refuse to buy into things like DLC, and want everything on a disk.

Guilty as charged. I could make an argument for disks, but it would be arguing for my prejudices, as I download mods all the time and back up their storage. I've never put all the mods I have onto a disk. I wouldn't mind paying a little bit for upgrades and new stuff.

Oh come on! Its 2010 for christ sakes... and its the begining of the end for optical media!
Roll with it grandpa

Language, please! My 60-year-old ears can only take so much!


Oh, and that more mature audience are in their 30s and 40s.

[nikimcbee]

2) Developers constantly try to 're-inevent the wheel' and strive for innovation, I guess this for a number reasons, one being not recieve flak for putting out an unoriginal product and second to keep things intresting for themselves.
At the same sime they have to be carful not to alienate their market, hen why most games fall in to a well established genre with just a few minor never seen before features.

that sounds like the whole entertainment industry now!

[nikimcbee]

My favorite thing about SH1 was their patrol map system. You didn't need to spend an hour just getting to your patrol area. The map was huge too.

[stoneys-nutz]

Reading the first few posts just make you realise how crappy SH5 is.
The list is endless, enemy AI, looking at floor after every conversation, those stupid dialogue indicators, halos, sub on rails, and so on and on and on, i know there are mods for most of these things, but is it fair that you have to rely on mods to make a game playable.

Any hoo, is there a chance that some of the things missing from SH5 can be put in to a mega mod, after the patching has finished, if it ever is.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by stoneys-nutz

Any hoo, is there a chance that some of the things missing from SH5 can be put in to a mega mod, after the patching has finished, if it ever is.

Anything is theoretically possible. It really depends on how modable the game is. If it can be done, it probably will be.

[FIREWALL]

Originally Posted by V.C. Sniper

Both have simple graphics that doesn't require the amount of time needed to build and maintain like the graphics of today, therefore more time can be spent on adding new realistic/simulation features.



SAD. Developers have to reinvent the wheel everytime a new game is being developed and forgot much of what was learned from building previous games.

I had to only read to your post #10 to get to what I had planned to say. While graphics were what they were for the times, content was there.

As computers improved they went for the "GLITZ" and passed on the content.

It's a shame what could've been.

[stoneys-nutz]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Anything is theoretically possible. It really depends on how modable the game is. If it can be done, it probably will be.

I really do hope so, because the game deserves better.

Originally Posted by FIREWALL

I had to only read to your post #10 to get to what I had planned to say. While graphics were what they were for the times, content was there.

As computers improved they went for the "GLITZ" and passed on the content.

It's a shame what could've been.

Could not agree more, eye candy over content will be the death of PC games, a good point well made.