More than Mexicans crossing the border (Maybe AZ has the right idea)

[Ducimus]

Yeah, ive been saying for awhile now that the treaty of Gauadlope Hiledalgo is null and void. California is indeed irrecoverable, on many fronts. Not just immigration.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

treaty of Gauadlope Hiledalgo

LOL

as if millions of illegal immigrants would even honor it.

[Ducimus]

Well, in another couple years i might end up in Utah. Maybe i'll go say hello to sailor steve or something. Never thought id see the day when i wanted... wanted to leave what i consider my native land. But, it's just not the same anymore. This isn't what home once was. I'll miss the sierra's and local mountains the most i think. That and a good chinese fast food joint.

[CaptainHaplo]

Last estimates I saw were 12 Million illegals in the country...

Figure 1/3 of them are actually employed. The rest may be women watching the kids at home - who knows - lets just use the number for now.

Thats 4 Million Jobs.....

Pack em all up, ship em home - you not only save truckloads of money on welfare/medicaid costs, you also now have 4 million jobs that need filling. You'd have the citizens of this country asking "what recession?"....

Just sayin.

[Ducimus]

>>The rest may be women watching the kids at home

Kids who will be voting later on if not already because they were born here.
How LA can call a "boycott" on arizona me thinks.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

Last estimates I saw were 12 Million illegals in the country...

Figure 1/3 of them are actually employed. The rest may be women watching the kids at home - who knows - lets just use the number for now.

Thats 4 Million Jobs.....

Pack em all up, ship em home - you not only save truckloads of money on welfare/medicaid costs, you also now have 4 million jobs that need filling. You'd have the citizens of this country asking "what recession?"....

Just sayin.

And where are you going to find an American willing to do this type of work? In my neighbourhood all I see are "help wanted signs" and businesses can't find anyone willing to do entry level/ labour work.

You think any of The Frau's kids will be willing to, gasp, work for a living? . A few years ago, I literally could not pay a kid in our neighbourhood to mow a lawn. Kids in my neighbourhood don't want to work.

So these immigrants may be taking jobs, but I wager they are taking jobs American's don't want to do.

I don't see too many American's lining up to pick carrots these days.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by Platapus

And where are you going to find an American willing to do this type of work? In my neighbourhood all I see are "help wanted signs" and businesses can't find anyone willing to do entry level/ labour work.

You think any of The Frau's kids will be willing to, gasp, work for a living? . A few years ago, I literally could not pay a kid in our neighbourhood to mow a lawn. Kids in my neighbourhood don't want to work.

So these immigrants may be taking jobs, but I wager they are taking jobs American's don't want to do.

I don't see too many American's lining up to pick carrots these days.

I have no appreciation or respect for this point of view.

If a person is destitute... they WILL do any job you put in front of them

you act like there are no Americans willing to do any of this work, when i know flat out that what you are saying is BS.

I know personally several men who will install plumbing, drywall, roofing, do minor electrical work, dig ditches - the list goes on - problem is these mexicans come in and get 5 of their brothers and cousins on the job and get it done in an hour and charge $100 flat... then they split it 5 ways and they can afford to eat for the remainder of the day.

If the jobs were available, and they needed filling... you would have workers.

The primary reason you have a sense of entitlement in this country is because your government wants you to need it desperately... we have too many effing entitlement programs and welfare BS.

do you think that single mother or that single dad or that family with 5 kids would continue to sit on their asses if the government cheese stopped oozing into their mailboxes every month????

they would HAVE to go out and work - like a human being is supposed to do in this world

pull your own weight... im done pulling it for these people

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

I know personally several men who will install plumbing, drywall, roofing, do minor electrical work, dig ditches - the list goes on - problem is these mexicans come in and get 5 of their brothers and cousins on the job and get it done in an hour and charge $100 flat...

You know, i spent 7 years in the military as an engineer, trained as "Structural Specialist". That encompasses sheetmetal fabrication, weilding, masonry, concrete, and carpentry. What i know best is wall framing, sheetrock, mudding and taping, floor tile, drop ceilings, stuff like that. Mainly industrial construction (don't do alot of residential in the service).

Great job skills to fall back on, (in theory) and i wouldn't mind doing it. Infact, some of it I ENJOY and miss doing, and the sense of job satisfaction it brings. But i also know its pointless because nobody would hire me to do that work over an "migrant worker", and even if i were, i'd only be offered "migrant worker's" wages.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

you act like there are no Americans willing to do any of this work, when i know flat out that what you are saying is BS.

First lesson: Just because you don't agree with someone's opinion does not make it BS. Why can't you have a simple discussion with different viewpoints with out the emotions?

I can only report what I observe in my neighbourhood. That is why I did not make any blanket statements about all Americans. The observed fact is that our local businesses can't find Americans to apply for these jobs as they seem to think these jobs are "beneath" them. The reason I know this is because I talk to them and I interact with them in my volunteer work.

If American's are willing to hustle in your neighbourhood, that's great. You live in a good area for that. But your observations do not invalidate my observations.

[Iceman]

Originally Posted by Platapus

I don't see too many American's lining up to pick carrots these days.

That's an assinine assumption there...ship em back to where they came from and see who go's for the jobs...a ****ty balance was created and perpetuated by just that kind of thinking...tell you what...if i lost my job today you bet your ass I'd be lining up to pick dog **** up if I had to to feed my kids.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Iceman

That's an assinine assumption there...

No that is not an assumption (asinine or not), it is an observation.

Now if I had written "No Americans are lining up to ..." that would be an assertion (not an assumption) and it would probably be asinine.

But that is why I did not write that. I wrote what I observed and I made it pretty clear that I was talking about what I, as an individual, was observing.

Please don't change my words to fit your argument.