So does this mean the game wont be finished??

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Salvadoreno

ya unfortunately for me my old sh4 disk was scratched, bought it on steam, steam corrupts mods, and now i gotta buy it again on disk.. lol..

Sorry I missed this earlier. Just buy SH4 Gold. It's already patched to 1.5, no disc required, no DRM.

[Salvadoreno]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Sorry I missed this earlier. Just buy SH4 Gold. It's already patched to 1.5, no disc required, no DRM.

Went to frys today, dont carry SH4 anymore . Looked at Sh5... saw the 59.99 price... Remembered the reviews and complaints and SHELVED it! HAH! I do have will power! lol... Guess ill have to keep looking for SH4 at bestbuy or gamestop or somewhere...

I know about the "auto update" problem with steam.. but for WHATEVER reason.. After i set auto update off, as soon as i run the game and push alt tab, it goes back to "always update".... Dont get it.. I turn it off again but by then i think damage is done... Everthing works fine for a while then fails eventually...

[Sailor Steve]

http://www.amazon.com/Silent-Hunter-...4066194&sr=1-1

8 new from $27.99, 3 used from $20.

Of course they also have SH5 for $24.98, but I won't buy it until the DRM is gone.

Either way, if you do buy from Amazon be sure to use the Subsim store link http://www.subsim.com/store.html. That way Neal gets a piece o' da action!

[oscar19681]

Wake up! I dont understand that people refuse to buy the game untill the DRM is gone. Its never gonna be "gone"

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by oscar19681

Wake up! I dont understand that people refuse to buy the game untill the DRM is gone. Its never gonna be "gone"

That's extreme. Just because it's there doesn't make it right. And it negatively affects anyone without the proper connection. If everyone had stood up it might be gone now. And if it is never removed, well, I'll continue to stand against bullying no matter what it costs. I've been bullied enough in my life, thank you.

[Reece]

I back you 100% on that Steve!

[gimpy117]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

It will probably never be perfect, but given the supposed state of the scripting, it may really be more moddable than anything else.

well yes the script is close to SH3 and 4...so it can be modded like the others.
Unfortunately...without an SDK we know that a few things will never be fixed.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

Unfortunately...without an SDK we know that a few things will never be fixed.

That's as may be, but it's true of SH3 and SH4 as well, and they are getting high praise from the people who are put off by SH5. So SH5 stands a good chance to end up earning the same praise, and even those who don't like it so far say it's the best platform to work with of the three.

[jwilliams]

Originally Posted by oscar19681

Wake up! I dont understand that people refuse to buy the game untill the DRM is gone. Its never gonna be "gone"

I'd say there is a high chance the DRM will be gone.... In time.

This type of DRM (OSP) takes up space on thier servers. So when SH5 sales slow to a crawl, then it would make sense for Ubi to patch out the OSP from SH5 to allow space for the newer games.

I'd doubt Ubi would want to pay for servers for a game thats 5 years old and isnt selling (making money to pay for the servers).

It's not a question of IF, but WHEN will the OSP (DRM) be removed from SH5.

[McBeck]

Originally Posted by kylania

I think Steam used to overwrite/delete files that it didn't think were supposed to be there, hence the "mods don't work with steam" belief. Now though you can turn off "auto-update" with Steam games, so that shouldn't happen anymore. Then again, it's Steam.

I have modded a native Steam game - Day of Defeat:Source. That was possible, even with autoupdate running

[magic452]

One thing about removing DRM/OSP form SH5, doing so would it also give the a good starting point for removing it from all other UBsoft's games.
I assume that they are at least similar if not the same. A patch out would be almost the same for all games. If this is so they can't remove DRM/OSP With a patch.

Magic

[Sardaukar67]

Originally Posted by jwilliams

I'd say there is a high chance the DRM will be gone.... In time.

This type of DRM (OSP) takes up space on thier servers. So when SH5 sales slow to a crawl, then it would make sense for Ubi to patch out the OSP from SH5 to allow space for the newer games.

I'd doubt Ubi would want to pay for servers for a game thats 5 years old and isnt selling (making money to pay for the servers).

It's not a question of IF, but WHEN will the OSP (DRM) be removed from SH5.

This is why I am waiting. I probably get SH5 when they remove DRM in patch 1.4-1.5 (or in expansion pack a la UBM for SH4). And I'll be able to get it 9.99 or 19.99 with expansion pack etc.

I am old-fashioned, still having warm feelings towards Aces of Deep DOS-version and those hours spent to fiddle with start-up files to make game work. CAOD still rocks in my memory...did I say WOLFPACKS!

So, I am not in hurry to see latest eye-candy. For me, graphics are least important feature, game-play and realism is. I'll get it like I got SH3 with patches and NYGM, SH4 with RFB & RSRD.

I just do not buy stuff to be free alpha-tester (this game apparently was not even in beta-stage when released...IMHO) to see latest "cool images". Nor am I too keen about "Sims in Sub". Why on earth would I get too excited about walking around sub, since it's my office and I am supposed to command it... Thankfully it seems that modders (as usual) are doing great job.

So, maybe in year or two, I'll join the merry U-Booters of SH5. Unfortunate for UBI, but I just do not support crap software in addition to things that are offending my rights and privacy.

[BadSeed]

Originally Posted by McBeck

Day of Defeat:Source.

CLASSIC. Now that was a fun game.

Originally Posted by Sardaukar67

...things that are offending my rights and privacy.

These are the fundamental issues that make this whole episode such a catastrophy. It's not just about a game for me either.

[paul_kingtiger]

I love the SH and Total War series SH5 and Napoleon Total War were the first two games I didn't buy on release day. Release now / patch later is pretty much standard in software these days, but you've got to draw the line somewhere.

Hopefully games publishers will realise that with today's social networking tools word of an unfinished game gets around very quickly. Maybe they will try to get it closer to right, first time.

[raymond6751]

SH5 is no worse than SH3 or 4 were at their beginnings. Considering the wonders accomplished by our modders on those and on SH5 already, I have good vibes.

Remember, all the complaining has been about SH5 not being what we expected. To a new gamer, not familiar with past versions, this might not seem so terrible.

I agree that it should extend past 1943, but it is reflecting history and not a 'what if' concept. Doenitz went defensive in 1943 after realizing he could not replace boats as quickly as they were being lost. That is why the game runs to the historic end of the 'offensive'.