Why I've decided not to buy, or own, SH5 (and I hope Ubi reads this) - Page 11

krashkart · 05-04-10, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by kylania

It's all childish. Just read this thread...

That's not 100% accurate, I've read plenty of posts that have been articulated in a more constructive manner. I'm not bashing you, just reminding you to pull the binoculars away and look at the bigger picture again.

Placoderm · 05-04-10, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SabreHawk

Hmmm, well if I had never ate pork, how could I comment on how much I hate it and will never buy or eat it?

Well, realistically you could smell the pork and determine it had a funky odor, you could see the pork and observe the odd color, you could hear others tell you that they did not like pork and why they felt that you were better off not trying it, you could read a book telling you about the risks of eating pork and the parasites it contained, and you could even observe others reactions to eating pork. Any of the above clues should allow a reasonable person to form an opinion about their desire to eat pork. As such, once an opinion has been formed, it is also reasonable for that same person to be qualified to comment. Whether or not those comments will be in agreement with someone who loves pork and eats pork all the time, is not important...as it is just one persons opinion verses another. One person formed his opinion by tasting pork, and one formed his opinion by learning about pork.

The OP made some highly accurate comments for someone who has not owned the game, and thos comments were close enough to reality to mirror my own experiences in playing the game, as well as the experiences of many others. I am assuming as such that he did his dutiful research to have been so close to the mark.

(and by the way, I hate escargot, I will not eat escargot, and although I have never eaten escargot I guarantee you that if I ever do I will hurl chunks all over the table. That is MY opinion...and one that I have formed very strongly having never tasted escargo. Maybe I am missing out on something really good...but I'm not gonna risk vomiting on my dining partners just to find out. Is my opinion invalid?)

Westbroek · 05-04-10, 09:23 PM

Oh, man, your opinion is totally valid...But escargot is SO good! You won't hurl, I promise, try it! And SH5 with mods is just as good. I tasted that, too.

Sammi79 · 05-04-10, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MILLANDSON

So... no offence intended, but the quoted part of your post is moot, since that applies in almost all circumstances involving the "selling" of any and all professionally developed software on the market, unless otherwise stated.

Yes, No offence taken, I'm sorry, I already refuted my post with embarrasment

see post 143. It's just the whole digital rights stuff gets my mind doing backwards summersaults though - I have the data on a disc, the disc is mine but the data on it isn't? err... logically that doesn't make a great deal of sense at least not to me. And yes, I am very guilty about just clicking the 'I Agree' buttons on these installers.

Grrrr there I go again,

. I may have had one too many beers tonight.

I am honestly dismayed by the fact that software companies are FORCED to act in this way because of pirates, but as you say they have taken it to the next level, that is the way it is and quite obviously is the way it will continue for now. I even caved in and tried to buy it online just now unfortunately my bank won't allow the payment to go through (they are scared about fraud and that is a good thing) I do want to try it for myself though, I just hope I don't end up kicking myself over it.

It's quite a gamble as far as I can tell, SH4 with all the mods is a very complete simulation (I use that term loosely) although there are some obvious flaws, you can play both sides in all peroids with lots of subtypes etc.. fully dynamic campaigns and graphically I think it's still good, especially with the environmental mod upgrades. SH5 sounds very limited in comparison and like a lot of people here I am primarily interested in the simulation aspect. I want it to be aiming for realism, and this does not appear to be the case. Also I work away from home for 6 months a year and stay in accomodation that rarely has internet access. In SH4 if someone could destabilse the deckguns, finish off the interiors of the boats (that is a huge amount of work I know) tweak some other minor things I would be completely satisfied with it. SH5 would never enter my mind. Ah well, here's to wishin for the impossible.

TteFAboB · 05-04-10, 10:13 PM

The best review is the disinterested gameplay video review that aims at just showing the game and not selling the game or making a movie out of it.

It's just a short step away from a demo, and if you want to take it one step beyond then there exist these days a very thorough type of gameplay video called "Let's Play". Watching a good, commented, "Let's Play" series is nearly as good as playing the game itself.

You can find many good ones here: http://www.letsplayarchive.com/

Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be any Let's Play at all (good or bad) for Silent Hunter 5 anywhere on the internet, though there are some gameplay videos here and there.

Volunteers?

IanC · 05-04-10, 10:56 PM

It's not about not knowing what something tastes like. That analogy is all wrong. It's knowing about all the problems, plain and simple. Don't need to own the game to know about those. Don't need to own the game to feel disappointed either.

krashkart · 05-05-10, 01:37 AM

Posting some thoughts right quick and then I'll be off to the evil propagandist lair of SH3 again.

I've read various arguments that "the modders will fix the game" (paraphrase). I know in some cases that was with regards to waiting for the patch. I just hope it doesn't become the fulcrum of how SH5 evolves as a simulation, nor the end-all be-all of popular expectations. Yes, modders can do a lot of things with their talents, but they don't have access to the most important part of SH5's functionality: the code.

Although I've not played it yet, I may look into Silent Hunter 5 later on as a possible addition to my entertainment suite. The time just isn't right, I think, for a complex endeavor such as SH5 to have been released. From the sounds of it, it still needs a lot of work done to it. I would much rather wait a couple more years for the major kinks to be worked out before deciding to put money on it.

If there is anything to be gained from this thread, the OP and the rest of us who have voiced our concerns must do more than simply post here at Subsim. If we want the companies to know that we want better quality out of an initial release, we must tell them directly. If we want Ubisoft to know that they have lost our customer confidence, we must tell them directly.

tonschk · 05-05-10, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by gord96

i purchased the game yesterday and was pleasantly surprised that most of the negative posts on this forum are exaggerations. i had a good time with the game last night. sure it has bugs and shame on UBI for not testing it more, but as always a few mods and it runs very nice! of course people can say they wont support UBI because of all the bugs and i can see their point. But I like sub sims, and really there is no other option. I have played SH3 w/GWX to death. Already I see way more potential in SHV. A few patches and some more mods and it will be awesome.

Anyways, back to the open seas...

I Agree with You , I see way more potential in SH5

doomlordis · 05-05-10, 03:25 AM

Officially the most boring pointless thread i have ever read.

Adriatico · 05-05-10, 03:39 AM

schlechter pfennig...

I agree with your post (even more after fact that crowd is playing "offline" AC2 and Settlers... and that only "bad name" saved SH5 from the same fate...)

BUT

be aware that: most of people that think or feel the same way as you - are not participating (posting) any more here... what is OK and normal... but it means that: you will hit the wall of "SH5 approach" fanboys every time you open your mouth...

Just a friendly advice... and congratulations for a nice post!

Feuer Frei! · 05-05-10, 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by doomlordis

Officially the most boring pointless thread i have ever read.

All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great more robust, sophisticated and well supported in logic and argument than others.

Diopos · 05-05-10, 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great more robust, sophisticated and well supported in logic and argument than others.

Yeahp! But you don't know that until said opinions are expressed!

So, as long as forum rules (and, I might add, basic "manners") are respected everyone is entitled to expressing his opinion.

robbo180265 · 05-05-10, 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Adriatico

schlechter pfennig...

I agree with your post (even more after fact that crowd is playing "offline" AC2 and Settlers... and that only "bad name" saved SH5 from the same fate...)

BUT

be aware that: most of people that think or feel the same way as you - are not participating (posting) any more here... what is OK and normal... but it means that: you will hit the wall of "SH5 approach" fanboys every time you open your mouth...

Just a friendly advice... and congratulations for a nice post!

I think that you and the others are rather missing the point.

I for one have enjoyed most of this discussion and I have no problem with schlechter pfennig's posts at all. In fact if you read back through the thread I don't think anyone has attacked schlechter pfennig for his views.

On the whole - this was a good discussion with some good ideas put forward.
Trouble is that once again a troll (who has no interest in either the game or this forum) was alowed to come into the debate and start a flame war - and yes I'm happy for the posts to hang their for all to see, anyone who reads the whole thread will easily see the trolling for what it was.

I am sick and tired of threads in this forum being hijacked by the same trolls who have their own agenda , which has nothing to do with either this forum or the game.

And it seems that others feel the same way too.

krashkart · 05-05-10, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by robbo180265

Trouble is that once again a troll (who has no interest in either the game or this forum) was alowed to come into the debate and start a flame war - and yes I'm happy for the posts to hang their for all to see, anyone who reads the whole thread will easily see the trolling for what it was.

I am sick and tired of threads in this forum being hijacked by the same trolls who have their own agenda , which has nothing to do with either this forum or the game.

And it seems that others feel the same way too.

Well, let it go for now and we'll see how the thread progresses from here. It's far from hijacked as long as we keep in line with the original post.

robbo180265 · 05-05-10, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by krashkart

Well, let it go for now and we'll see how the thread progresses from here. It's far from hijacked as long as we keep in line with the original post.

Agreed

05-04-10, 09:23 PM	#153
Westbroek Lieutenant Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: LA Posts: 256 Downloads: 121 Uploads: 0	Oh, man, your opinion is totally valid...But escargot is SO good! You won't hurl, I promise, try it! And SH5 with mods is just as good. I tasted that, too. __________________ .Godspeed.

05-04-10, 10:13 PM	#155
TteFAboB Admiral Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,247 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	The best review is the disinterested gameplay video review that aims at just showing the game and not selling the game or making a movie out of it. It's just a short step away from a demo, and if you want to take it one step beyond then there exist these days a very thorough type of gameplay video called "Let's Play". Watching a good, commented, "Let's Play" series is nearly as good as playing the game itself. You can find many good ones here: http://www.letsplayarchive.com/ Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be any Let's Play at all (good or bad) for Silent Hunter 5 anywhere on the internet, though there are some gameplay videos here and there. Volunteers? __________________ "Tout ce qui est exagéré est insignifiant." ("All that is exaggerated is insignificant.") - Talleyrand

05-05-10, 01:37 AM	#157
krashkart Navy Seal Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 5,292 Downloads: 100 Uploads: 0	Posting some thoughts right quick and then I'll be off to the evil propagandist lair of SH3 again. I've read various arguments that "the modders will fix the game" (paraphrase). I know in some cases that was with regards to waiting for the patch. I just hope it doesn't become the fulcrum of how SH5 evolves as a simulation, nor the end-all be-all of popular expectations. Yes, modders can do a lot of things with their talents, but they don't have access to the most important part of SH5's functionality: the code. Although I've not played it yet, I may look into Silent Hunter 5 later on as a possible addition to my entertainment suite. The time just isn't right, I think, for a complex endeavor such as SH5 to have been released. From the sounds of it, it still needs a lot of work done to it. I would much rather wait a couple more years for the major kinks to be worked out before deciding to put money on it. If there is anything to be gained from this thread, the OP and the rest of us who have voiced our concerns must do more than simply post here at Subsim. If we want the companies to know that we want better quality out of an initial release, we must tell them directly. If we want Ubisoft to know that they have lost our customer confidence, we must tell them directly. __________________ sent from my fingertips using a cheap keyboard

05-05-10, 03:25 AM	#159
doomlordis Wild Night in Bangkok Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 179 Downloads: 12 Uploads: 0	Officially the most boring pointless thread i have ever read. __________________ subs and birds!

05-05-10, 03:39 AM	#160
Adriatico Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2007 Location: Periscope depth Posts: 860 Downloads: 119 Uploads: 0	schlechter pfennig... I agree with your post (even more after fact that crowd is playing "offline" AC2 and Settlers... and that only "bad name" saved SH5 from the same fate...) BUT be aware that: most of people that think or feel the same way as you - are not participating (posting) any more here... what is OK and normal... but it means that: you will hit the wall of "SH5 approach" fanboys every time you open your mouth... Just a friendly advice... and congratulations for a nice post! __________________

05-04-10, 10:56 PM	#156
IanC Grey Wolf Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Running silent and deep Posts: 902 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	It's not about not knowing what something tastes like. That analogy is all wrong. It's knowing about all the problems, plain and simple. Don't need to own the game to know about those. Don't need to own the game to feel disappointed either.