Why I've decided not to buy, or own, SH5 (and I hope Ubi reads this)

[Moeceefus]

Originally Posted by Sammi79

Well, I think Brag has a good point here. I'm not paying for software unless you actually sell me the software you know? If it's permission that you are selling well it should be way cheaper, say $10 or £5 that would be reasonable. They do tell you that a permanent internet connection is required in order to play the game, but when do they tell you that whilst you thought you were buying a piece of software, that actually you are not and they are going to keep it? Is that before or after the sale?

I understand the software producers wanting to protect their creations, It's a real shame that Ubisoft has decided that this is the best way of doing it, but we only have the pirates to blame. The graphics look great and I'm sure the patches+modders will turn this into the best (albeit the only contemporary) subsim around in the end, and eventually the price will drop to a reasonable level IMO for what they are actually selling (permission to use their software) and at that time I will buy it.

actually if you look at the eula for any piece of software you will find you dont actually own anything. you have merely purchased a liscense to use said software. besides, why do people think ubi or any company would just up and drop the drm without patching it? has this been the norm? i think a move like that would doom any company and dont see the slightest threat of it happening

[robbo180265]

Originally Posted by ddrgn

Notice how these posts bring out the online Jesus's....

Learn to communicate,be nice, mom to son lectures etc.....

Come on, Brag deserves every bit of this....

He is some spill over from the DRM controversy, he lives and breathes for moments like this.... and the "holier than thou", subsimmers come out of the woodwork top defend him. What about the right to defend a perfectly perfect game that got caught in the spotlight that was DRM.

Brag will waste more of our time reading/responding to his posts than the rest of us waiting for DRM to load...

Yeah you are right - shouldn't let him get to me

[schlechter pfennig]

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

On a lighter note:
@ schlechter pfennig, i like your forum name
How did you come up with that one?

Well, I thought the connotation behind 'bad penny' was, ah . . . rather auspicious for a U-boat commander, what with a bad penny always turning up no matter what.

[Sammi79]

@Moeceefus

Is that true? to be honest I haven't attempted to read any of those EULA agreements for decades more fool me I guess. Well I take it back then, UBI aren't doing anything different than anyone else in that case. Shutting up now.

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by schlechter pfennig

Well, I thought the connotation behind 'bad penny' was, ah . . . rather auspicious for a U-boat commander, what with a bad penny always turning up no matter what.

Well done!

[robbo180265]

Originally Posted by schlechter pfennig

Well, I thought the connotation behind 'bad penny' was, ah . . . rather auspicious for a U-boat commander, what with a bad penny always turning up no matter what.

What a cool name - nice one matey

[Bilge_Rat]

Originally Posted by Brag

Unfortunately, some newcomers have not yet learned the etiquette of these forums. Give them a break, they are yet to learn how to act as an officer and a gentleman, which is the standard for Subsim .

that is actually funny coming from you...

[Takeda Shingen]

Ask the old hats what this means.

The Management

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Ask the old hats what this means.

The Management

That's your warning, boys.

[ddrgn]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Ask the old hats what this means.

The Management

I am sorry, is this the best you can do?....

Why not make a super thread for all the hater comments, something you guys can actually keep updated. Keep our forum a little cleaner, so people coming for information can find how to play SH5, where to find mods, updates about the game they are "playing". Instead of finding all this crap that you guys are letting continue here.

I believe everyone has an opinion and I certainly don't promote censoring or closing threads.So with all the admins intent on making this place the shining example of how internet etiquette should be, instead of the mess that that you have let this place become, maybe show a little bit of support for the game and the players. Update the MOD and stickied threads, keep the forums clean for the new guys/gals.

Check my statistics, I am usually, (before SH5) a quiet reserved guy. Lately I am annoyed at how much you guys have let this place slide. So I am not gonna sit here and let people that do not even own the game rant about how crap it is, I don't care if my egg shell dance will get harder, I don't care which person I piss off. I am defending a fine piece of software, which will surpass what SH3 ever was in no time..

Don't mistake yourselves here, this is a battle and if you come over to this side of the forum, from the peaceful general topics and introduce yourself threads, I am sorry but you will see pissed off and annoyed people speaking out of turn and spiting each other. This is the fallout from the DRM issue, that is all it is... Don't be confused on that one either DRM is here to stay so it is a dead issue....

But, I will not let a few negative threads be the end all and tell all to this game. If you post negative about the game, back it up with feedback and let some of us have a crack at fixing it before "returning" your copy to best buy. If you post negatively and you can't back it up, expect players enjoying the game to let you know your wrong....

Let us players have what the SH4 players had, a chance to make this a great game with the support of a fine community and an even greater forum. Let us have that at least.

Maybe the old hats have gotten a little too old for this kind of work. no? yes?

[IanC]

Originally Posted by Brag

The attack was expected. Excellent opportunity to put accents on poster mentalities. Let them hang for everyone to see. I seldom respond to attacks. Thank you, gentlemen!

Exactly. When a poster comes along all "in yo face" throwing the insults around, and acting tough, the best reply is just to let their post hang for all to see.

[NefariousKoel]

I fail to see why anyone should have to purchase a game in order to post valid concerns about it here.

Yet some are pushing just that, and flaming away.

[kylania]

Originally Posted by NefariousKoel

I fail to see why anyone should have to purchase a game in order to post valid concerns about it here.

Because they don't. They post the same tired, lame rants about DRM and Ubisoft and how SH lost it's way and how anyone that bought the game is weak and stupid and how the game sucks compared to how awesome TMO or GWX or whatever their favorite previous flavor of SH was and how it's lost all it's appeal and anyone that bought it got what they deserve and hopefully Silent Hunter will die now and be resurrected by some gracious game company that will Do The Right Thing™ and how they haven't bought the game and won't ever buy it.

I think I covered all their points... Some of these people you feel are "posting valid concerns" have done NOTHING but troll since before the game even came out. Brag has yet to post anything in the Silent Hunter 5 forum that wasn't an insult against owners or the same exhausted DRM rant for example. Pure and simple trolling. It doesn't help the forum at all and sure isn't the behavior of an Officer nor a Gentleman. It's all childish. Just read this thread...

[SabreHawk]

Originally Posted by NefariousKoel

I fail to see why anyone should have to purchase a game in order to post valid concerns about it here.

Yet some are pushing just that, and flaming away.

Hmmm, well if I had never ate pork, how could I comment on how much I hate it and will never buy or eat it?

[MILLANDSON]

Originally Posted by Sammi79

Well, I think Brag has a good point here. I'm not paying for software unless you actually sell me the software you know? If it's permission that you are selling well it should be way cheaper, say $10 or £5 that would be reasonable. They do tell you that a permanent internet connection is required in order to play the game, but when do they tell you that whilst you thought you were buying a piece of software, that actually you are not and they are going to keep it? Is that before or after the sale?

Just to point out, you do realise that the whole "permission that you are selling" is all software developers have been doing for about 15 years or so, right?

If you actually read the ToU/EULA, which are contractually binding upon you (as it is stated to be required for you to read it and agree to it before you install the game, and failing to read it but pressing "Agree/OK" is still you agreeing to a contract, as reading said contract isn't required), in 99.99% of games it will state that you merely own a licence to use the game, which can, in fact, be revoked at any time the developers/publishers see fit by a variety of means. All you own is the disk which happens to hold the data, they still own all the data on it.

The only thing that Ubisoft has done is taking it to the next level.

So... no offence intended, but the quoted part of your post is moot, since that applies in almost all circumstances involving the "selling" of any and all professionally developed software on the market, unless otherwise stated.