FBI busts 'millitia' in US

[Egan]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

But you dont hear much about this situation.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/16/wo.../16juarez.html

Interesting you make your point with this story because it actually received quite a bit of coverage here in Britain.

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by Egan

Interesting you make your point with this story because it actually received quite a bit of coverage here in Britain.

There was like one evening of coverage maybe 5 to 10 minutes on mainstream media broadcasts.

I wonder what the coverage was like on the front lines in Texas? Maybe Neal can enlighten us.

I heard that about a half dozen pepole have been killed down there in the last couple of days.

It's just short of a full blown combat situation there.

[Egan]

We had it for about a week - not blanket coverage or anything but it was covered on the main terrestial evening news shows for a couple of days and continued as a point of interest on tv and radio current affairs shows and newspapers for a while after.

It would be interesting to hear from Neal.

You're right though - it's not looking good down there. Not good at all.

[Skybird]

Lets keep two stories that are separate stories the way they should be kept: two separate stories. The one says not much about the other. Drug wars in Mexico are about money, racist hate group militias in the US are about sick ideology. The ways media covers the one or the other, do not touch the core of both problems, and only say something about the media themselves.

[Freiwillige]

Now Skybird, Where on this green earth did you get the idea that these Christian nut jobs are a Racist Hate group? The Majority of Militias are Constitutionally protected legal groupings. It is not like they wear swastika arm bands and read Mein Kampf. They tend to Read even more dangerous men's ideas such as George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and dare I speak it, The U.S. constitution!

Now I am no part of any militia but as long as they are open and monitored I have no issue with them. The nutjobs like these guys always get caught so let the legal system handle them and get on with your day without living in fear of these "Racist Hate groups" lol

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Freiwillige

Now Skybird, Where on this green earth did you get the idea that these Christian nut jobs are a Racist Hate group? The Majority of Militias are Constitutionally protected legal groupings. It is not like they wear swastika arm bands and read Mein Kampf. They tend to Read even more dangerous men's ideas such as George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and dare I speak it, The U.S. constitution!

Now I am no part of any militia but as long as they are open and monitored I have no issue with them. The nutjobs like these guys always get caught so let the legal system handle them and get on with your day without living in fear of these "Racist Hate groups" lol

I follow the example of that spokesman I already referred to, who used the term. I also remind of the debate we had in the past, when I quoted the Secret Service with saying that Obama is the most endangered president in the history of the nation. Finally I remind you of the well-known rise in racism following the campaigning of Obama, and the new Spring in recruiting done for the KKK. We discussed this back then, I will not help in making this appear as "new nfo" and "questionable" - by doing all that debate again.

http://www.splcenter.org/

http://americanaffairs.suite101.com/...te_groups_grow

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...tremist-groups

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Lets keep two stories that are separate stories the way they should be kept: two separate stories. The one says not much about the other. Drug wars in Mexico are about money, racist hate group militias in the US are about sick ideology. The ways media covers the one or the other, do not touch the core of both problems, and only say something about the media themselves.

Well fine.. then at least give them equal coverage not ignore one and be all over the other. That sounds fair to me.

Unless of course there is an agenda underfoot.. yea I know tin foil hat.. sure...

[Oberon]

I'd say there's plenty more out there in the more religious areas of the states, plus anti-government groups in general. After all, since the end of the Cold War, most groups like the Weather Underground and that have disbanded or splintered and their guns have got to go somewhere.

Ah well, at least this particular one was caught.

Originally Posted by Oberon

I'd say there's plenty more out there in the more religious areas of the states, plus anti-government groups in general. After all, since the end of the Cold War, most groups like the Weather Underground and that have disbanded or splintered and their guns have got to go somewhere.

Ah well, at least this particular one was caught.

Exactly, because the only illegal guns in circulation in the States originate from the Weather Underground.

While it is a good thing these wackos got stopped I cant help but feel the media coverage on this thing is wall to wall.

It's not like this was a massive movement its a small splinter group of nut jobs. Why the barrage day and night of coverage on this?

How much coverage did the Unabomber get over the years and he was only one idiot?
What about them two beltway snipers, did they get much coverage?
Perhaps its just your perception of the coverage.

But you dont hear much about this situation.

OK you say it doesn't get coverage except maybe a 5-10 minute piece one evening then post a piece that links to several days written coverage of the specific incident a 10 minute film on it, plus many months of articles and films on the ongoing situation down there.

Now Skybird, Where on this green earth did you get the idea that these Christian nut jobs are a Racist Hate group?

Maybe its from the threats that it is claimed were made by the trash, which led to the actual raid.
Though even without that there is a long histtory of "christian" patriots/militia/identity just being a bunch of crazy racist scum.

[AVGWarhawk]

The Beltway Snipers got the coverage because they were on the loose many days. It made for good TV as far as the media was concerned however, concerned citizens wanted to know when these two were picked up. The killing was so random. People were scared.

[Jimbuna]

Where was that incident with two guys involved in robbing a bank in broad daylight.....as the police arrived they peppered anything and everything with automatic fire yet the police were powerless to stop them because they were wearing body armour?

I remember watching a docimentary about it....eventually one guy shot himself from under his chin with a pistol when he ran out of ammo for his automatic and the police brought the other guy to a halt by shooting at his inprotected ankles from under a car?

Pretty scary stuff and not that long ago IIRC

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Where was that incident with two guys involved in robbing a bank in broad daylight.....as the police arrived they peppered anything and everything with automatic fire yet the police were powerless to stop them because they were wearing body armour?

I remember watching a docimentary about it....eventually one guy shot himself from under his chin with a pistol when he ran out of ammo for his automatic and the police brought the other guy to a halt by shooting at his inprotected ankles from under a car?

Pretty scary stuff and not that long ago IIRC

North Hollywood shootout.

Other famous US shootout is the 1986 FBI Miami shootout. The US police is in a kind of arms race with the crooks.