Mod TODOS...so far

[skwasjer]

Well, there's two ways of doing that Ducimus. What Drifter means (I guess) is, that if I made a new mod and it wasn't up to your standards that you (the alpha) don't come in flaming me/putting me down, but instead provide pointers how to improve it or shut the hell up all together. No community needs one person/group run down other 'smaller' individuals/groups.

I understand that builders of supermods are in a tough spot vs their user base, but you shouldn't be building a publicly released supermod in the first place if you don't want to deal with that. You might as well keep it private instead then...

RE: S3D... It's not that I selectively help people either, or even tell them their work is crap, just because I made the most common used mod-tool. There's only one way to improve the game, and that is together.

I do see alot of problems with modding SH5 though. While the new tools are great, both patches and the increased complexity will bring many headaches. But enjoy everyone, it is good to know I don't have to spend another 2 years of spare time

[Drifter]

Originally Posted by skwasjer

Well, there's two ways of doing that Ducimus. What Drifter means (I guess) is, that if I made a new mod and it wasn't up to your standards that you (the alpha) don't come in flaming me/putting me down, but instead provide pointers how to improve it or shut the hell up all together. No community needs one person/group run down other 'smaller' individuals/groups.

I understand that builders of supermods are in a tough spot vs their user base, but you shouldn't be building a publicly released supermod in the first place if you don't want to deal with that. You might as well keep it private instead then...

RE: S3D... It's not that I selectively help people either, or even tell them their work is crap, just because I made the most common used mod-tool. There's only one way to improve the game, and that is together.

I do see alot of problems with modding SH5 though. While the new tools are great, both patches and the increased complexity will bring many headaches. But enjoy everyone, it is good to know I don't have to spend another 2 years of spare time

Well said, skwasjer. I was specifically talking about smaller mods that were released in the past to be made compatible with the two SH3 super-mods. But the super-duper mods' 'team leaders' had complained that certain smaller mods 'broke' features of their super-duper mods, and that the download links should be removed. As if they had a patent on SH3 or something.

Anyways, I don't want to hijack this thread. That's all in the past now (hopefully).

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by skwasjer

Well, there's two ways of doing that Ducimus. What Drifter means (I guess) is, that if I made a new mod and it wasn't up to your standards that you (the alpha) don't come in flaming me/putting me down,

No, i don't ever recall jumping into another modders schitt just because i didn't like their work. You must be thinking about someone else.

I understand that builders of supermods are in a tough spot vs their user base, but you shouldn't be building a publicly released supermod in the first place if you don't want to deal with that. You might as well keep it private instead then...

Your right there. Im really bad at "support". Hate writing documentation, and plenty of times im rolling my eyes when i lurk the forums. Inane comments raise my hackles more times then i care to admit. But hey i learned my lesson, i wont ever do a supermod again. Too much time , effort and stress. If i ever get this game, i'll sit back and let someone else do all the damn work, then reap the bennfitts of gameplay at no cost to me.

Originally Posted by Drifter

But the super-duper mods' 'team leaders' had complained that certain smaller mods 'broke' features of their super-duper mods, and that the download links should be removed. As if they had a patent on SH3 or something.

You mean there was more then one team leader in SH3? I thought there was only one team left standing after the mod war. *shrug*

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

You mean there was more then one team leader in SH3? I thought there was only one team left standing after the mod war. *shrug*

Actually there are two major mod teams still working on SH3 as we type. And doing a great job.

[skwasjer]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

No, i don't ever recall jumping into another modders schitt just because i didn't like their work. You must be thinking about someone else.

I didn't mean you, I mean some guys/teams with above average mod-knowhow in general, that have the tendency to believe their work > all. I don't like it when I see such ppl put others down. The way I always saw my role in SH4 (in particular, but also a bit SH3) was that ppl counted on me to help them. And so I did.

Your right there. Im really bad at "support". Hate writing documentation, and plenty of times im rolling my eyes when i lurk the forums. Inane comments raise my hackles more times then i care to admit. But hey i learned my lesson, i wont ever do a supermod again. Too much time , effort and stress. If i ever get this game, i'll sit back and let someone else do all the damn work, then reap the bennfitts of gameplay at no cost to me.

Support is though, and I myself am not able to fully support everyone either. But I do remember you made some tutorials as have I, and surely you helped others make their mod compatible... again, I wasn't adressing you directly in saying you put other's ppl work down, I just tried to clarify Drifter's post a bit (or at least how I read it)

Hope this is the right thread, I would love to see the water droplets effect tweaked so that it works on binocs and scopes only, rather that all the time (like the capt is wearing specs?)- I suspect this is a common one!

EDIT** -- AND !! How to get rid of those annoying and unnecessary (at least to me) "objective" buttons that are permanently at the top of the screen. Shame there isn't something in the options to switch those off.

Looks like things are shaping up though, ladies and gents- maybe SHV will captivate us all given time....