The new breed of silent hunter user .

[Nordmann]

Originally Posted by Steeltrap

Chill, friend.

Sober didn't say anything about people not being 'allowed' to post. He was noting, if I read correctly, the irony of the situation and having a little laugh.

Telling anyone to grow up isn't exactly the purpose of the forum, either, just quietly.....

Cheers

Oh, and I'll also be a watcher.

As the movie said...."I like to watch"

I'm sorry, I must have missed the irony, all I saw was a post commenting on this board's posters who have no intention of buying the game on release. Not very ironic.

Telling someone that telling someone to grow up is not the purpose of a forum, isn't exactly the purpose of a forum, either, just quietly.....

Cheers mate.

[FIREWALL]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

Maybe I am missing something since I have read/seen the same previews/articles/videos everyone else has, but what piece of info makes everyone think this will be more lite than SH3 or SH4 when released. From what I can see it is will have the same realism settings as SH3/4.

You are missing something or, you need a eye checkup.

The Speed Telegraph is some thing out of StarTrek.

No depth below keel. (as stated in Neals preview report)

Speaking of keels. No Keil Canal (come on Ubi, it's been done for you)

The Peri\UZO gui's done here are far superior to SH5's.

On the other hand there's plenty of GOOD stuff too.

As for buying it now. I think I'll be a window watcher for awhile.

[LiveGoat]

Wait, what?! No Kiel Canal? Is Kiel available at all in the game?

[Bilge_Rat]

Originally Posted by Turbografx

Well, it appears to inherit many of the shortcomings of SH3 (unmodded) e.g.

Lack of attention to detail in models and bugs carrying over from past games e.g. conning towers, propeller spin, submerged crew etc.
"Zippy" ships
Health point system
Cylindrical navigation
Lack of specific control (engines, trim, ballast)

and adds some new ones:

Now, I never played SH3 or 4 without mods, I waited 4-6 months before I got either. That said, I don't think SH5 will necessarily be any MORE gamey than 3/4 but I wasn't happy with those at release either. I was hoping the next game in the series would incorporate the best improvements from the mods as standard. I continue to live in hope that eventually things will get better at some point or that another group will start making subsims (fat chance they would be any better).

I was introduced to the subsim through Wolfpack, Aces of the Deep and Silent Hunter. These, while certainly far from perfect, had a number of realism features absent in more recent titles (before modding). My judgment also comes from the perspective of an avid flight simmer, a genre which has many very high-fidelity products.

I think SH5 may very well be a good platform for modding, and 6 months down the line I will buy it. I just don't think I would really call it an accurate simulator straight out of the box. Ubi marketing agrees, the game is classified as "action-adventure".

I do not disagree with your assessment.

Just an additional point, special crew abilities were already present in SH3 and SH4 and having the performance of the crew vary based on skill and experience is standard in most sims, whether land, sea or air based.

In other sims however, crew performance is based on military experience categories, i.e. "conscript", "green", "regular", "veteran", "crack", "elite". Obviously one mistake Ubi made was in using RPG type categories which would be more suited to Fallout 3 than Silent Hunter 5.

[Nisgeis]

Originally Posted by LiveGoat

Wait, what?! No Kiel Canal? Is Kiel available at all in the game?

Kiel will be there, but not the canal.

[Bilge_Rat]

Originally Posted by FIREWALL

You are missing something or, you need a eye checkup.

I just got some new glasses, let me see if that helps...


....(cleans new rose tinted glasses)....


no, still looks the same...

[Heretic]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

In other sims however, crew performance is based on military experience categories, i.e. "conscript", "green", "regular", "veteran", "crack", "elite". Obviously one mistake Ubi made was in using RPG type categories which would be more suited to Fallout 3 than Silent Hunter 5.

I disagree that that is a mistake. It fits in with their larger strategy of making the game more accessible to the casual game by using terminology and concepts they are familiar with - levels, special abilities, that sort of thing. Sub sims, in particular, have a lot of specialized language and concepts. The 'dumbed down' interface and terminology are intended to reduce the learning curve for the 90% of their target audience who doesn't eat, drink, and sleep submarines. In any case, they're just text labels in some file somewhere. We can change them to whatever we want.

As long as 'our game' is still under there, I don't really care what they layer on top of it to attract the sales they need to justify making the game.

[FIREWALL]

How many have bothered to CLOSELY read and look at screenshots of Neals Preview ?


http://www.subsim.com/2010_02/sh5/pr...h5_feb2010.php

[Nisgeis]

That's not fair Firewall, making people read stuff and look at stuff to get information. For those that have the attention span of a flea:

http://www.subsim.com/2010_02/sh5/2010%2002%2007/sh5_intro/sh5%202010-02-18%2015-06-57-96.jpg

This has also been commented on, in the preview thread.

Those that have been watching will also have noticed that you can still plot courses over land, for your TC beaching entertainment.

[gimpy117]

personally ill buy it if i feel like it. I bought Rise of flight and "endured" the "horrible" DRM it came with and had no big issues. sure, the server went down occasionally...but for a small Eastern European company their reliability was good. i dont think it will really be a problem with a company the size of Ubisoft

In short, Yes, i'll buy silent hunter 5 if it is the game that it looks like it will be.

[Bilge_Rat]

The Kiel canal is an oversight.

Can someone refresh my memory, was it in stock SH3?

I was under the impression it was added by modders.

[Task Force]

I dont know... I can see ubi haveing server issues/slowdowns... one you get thousands of people trying to get on, and be connected at once... I think you will start knoticeing....

[razark]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

The Kiel canal is an oversight.

Can someone refresh my memory, was it in stock SH3?

I was under the impression it was added by modders.

No, it was not in stock.

[OakGroove]

If memory serves correct it was "ref" who released terrain editing tools, making the Nord-Ostsee-Kanal and others possible. Later it was incooperated in mods like LSH and GWX.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

The Kiel canal is an oversight.

Can someone refresh my memory, was it in stock SH3?

I was under the impression it was added by modders.

Not in stock, never was. Not the panama canal either. Kiel canal was added later by mod. Now the lack of Kiel canal... here's an educated guess on why:

The dev's have alot to do, and are on a time table. So they have to prioritize. Revisiting old code or program resource that still works, just for the sake of polish isn't likely to happen.