Penny Arcade! - Page 2

Méo · 02-19-10, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by TarJak

Or not play it at all if you are travelling or unable to get a connection to the network.

That may be an issue, but personally, each time I travel I have other things to do (visit, discover, enjoy, etc.) than to play a computer game.

TarJak · 02-19-10, 08:06 AM

Good luck to you. I also tend to spend time working visiting, doing other things however there are times when sinking ships is a great way to kill off some time. For example:

I regularly visit a city an hours flight away that I lived in for 4 years. There ain't much I've not seen of it and when I'm finished work after a 12 or 13 hour day and feel like relaxing instead of going out to meet some mates for a beer, sometimes cracking the laptop and sinking some ships is a nice way to do it.

I also travel internationally quite a bit and when I've seen most of the in flight entertainment, finished the meal and some work and have another 4 hours to kill before feeling tired enough to sleep, again sinking ships would kill some time in the air.

Unfortunately that won't be possible with SHV.

You all know why...

Fincuan · 02-19-10, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

And thank you for becoming a part of the problem. I look forward to knowing the next time I buy a game, I am paying for you as well.

I really expected more from you than this same "He's against DRM so he MUST be a pirate"-thinking. I'll put this very simply: If a game is worth playing it's worth buying. The proposed DRM scheme makes SH5 not worth playing for me, so I sure as hell am not going to buy it either.

Heretic · 02-19-10, 08:33 AM

The thing that makes me so leery of the anti-DRM movement is they use a lot of the same reasons to oppose DRM that the pirates use to justify their piracy. To be clear, I am not accusing or implying in any way that those opposed to DRM are pirates, but lending credence to the pirates' justifications seems counter-productive and will likely lead to more DRM, not less.

Nordmann · 02-19-10, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Heretic

The thing that makes me so leery of the anti-DRM movement is they use a lot of the same reasons to oppose DRM that the pirates use to justify their piracy. To be clear, I am not accusing or implying in any way that those opposed to DRM are pirates, but lending credence to the pirates' justifications seems counter-productive and will likely lead to more DRM, not less.

Well, it's certainly not the best of arguments, but frankly the same can be said of the pro-DRM movement. Some of the things they come out with are nothing short of astounding, one wonders at times as to whether these people are on Ubi's payroll!

Onkel Neal · 02-19-10, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Fincuan

I really expected more from you than this same "He's against DRM so he MUST be a pirate"-thinking. I'll put this very simply: If a game is worth playing it's worth buying. The proposed DRM scheme makes SH5 not worth playing for me, so I sure as hell am not going to buy it either.

Excuse me, but didn't you say: Next time I'll just take the can without them knowing.

Saying you "expected more from me" implies that if I pretend I didn't read that, I am ok. How could have ever expected me to ignore that?

But we're still mates

Fincuan · 02-19-10, 08:46 AM

It was an analogy in an effort to demonstrate how the average gamer feels DRM complicates his life without any gains and actually promotes such "shortcuts", not how I'm going to act. Besides I said "taking the can without them(the DRM 'watchdog', which may or may not be the same as the developer) noticing", not "without paying".
edit: In the case of SH5 it might be that the latter approach is impossible.

Brag · 02-19-10, 08:53 AM

The problem with DRM, it is alienating large numbers of people, thus worsening the piracy problem.

Onkel Neal · 02-19-10, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Fincuan

It was an analogy in an effort to demonstrate how the average gamer feels DRM complicates his life without any gains and actually promotes such "shortcuts", not how I'm going to act. Besides I said "taking the can without them(the DRM 'watchdog', which may or may not be the same as the developer) noticing", not "without paying".
edit: In the case of SH5 it might be that the latter approach is impossible.

Ok, I understand, so you were speaking from the viewpoint of the typical gamer? I offer my sincere apologies, I read that as if Fincuan were gearing up to steal games. I am relieved to know that's not the case, I expected more from you than that too! Glad to know my expectations were well-founded, thanks.

Edit: PS: you have to remember it's hard for me to know all of you as well as you know me

Sorry

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Originally Posted by Brag

The problem with DRM, it is alienating large numbers of people, thus worsening the piracy problem.

Possibly, but those who choose to let this sway them into piracy, do not have strong principles to begin with.

If this DRM bothered me so much, I would buy the game, make a video of me burning it, and post it on YouTube. Now that would make a statement!

mookiemookie · 02-19-10, 09:36 AM

I'm probably treading very close to the brig on this, but ...

Edit: Yes, that's commonly known. --NS

Mods - if this is unacceptable, please edit or delete. I'm fine with that.

martes86 · 02-19-10, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

If this DRM bothered me so much, I would buy the game, make a video of me burning it, and post it on YouTube. Now that would make a statement!

Then you could just burn your money as well, lol. In this world of crysis, I don't think it would be well regarded to burn your own money.

Sailor Steve · 02-19-10, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Nordmann

Anyway, while I do not condone piracy, I can see intrusive DRM pushing more people towards the shadier zones on gaming. It's a simple fact of life, push people hard enough, and they start pushing back.

Some of us will push back by refusing to be part of at all. This does not mean we'll become part of the problem. Won't buy it, won't play it either.

Nordmann · 02-19-10, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Some of us will push back by refusing to be part of at all. This does not mean we'll become part of the problem. Won't buy it, won't play it either.

Oh I agree, I'll be making my stand by refusing to buy it as well, heck, it's not as if I'm short on games! But there are people who will go the other way, and right or wrong, it will be Ubi's own doing.

Jimbuna · 02-19-10, 02:58 PM

Whether the individual decides to boycott the game because of the DRM or chooses to buy it despite having misgivings is entirely down to each individuals choice.

Turning to or supporting the position regarding piracy can not and should not be condoned in any way shape or form.

TarJak · 02-19-10, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Some of us will push back by refusing to be part of at all. This does not mean we'll become part of the problem. Won't buy it, won't play it either.

+1

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

Whether the individual decides to boycott the game because of the DRM or chooses to buy it despite having misgivings is entirely down to each individuals choice.

Turning to or supporting the position regarding piracy can not and should not be condoned in any way shape or form.

+1

Just because I am not buying SHV or any other Ubi game because of the OSP does not make me part of the problem. I have no plans to obtain the game in any form until Ubi either releases it without OSP, or it hits the bargain bins where a $10 investment make me say so what if I can only play it online. It makes me an informed consumer making a choice NOT a supporter of software piracy.

02-19-10, 08:33 AM	#19
Heretic Commodore Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Nebraska Posts: 617 Downloads: 240 Uploads: 2	The thing that makes me so leery of the anti-DRM movement is they use a lot of the same reasons to oppose DRM that the pirates use to justify their piracy. To be clear, I am not accusing or implying in any way that those opposed to DRM are pirates, but lending credence to the pirates' justifications seems counter-productive and will likely lead to more DRM, not less. __________________ - heretic I enjoy drinking beer. MightyFine Crew Mod 1.2.1 - Updated 22 March MightyFine Less Annoying Footsteps Crew AI Scripting Information

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mookiemookie Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 9,404 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 1	I'm probably treading very close to the brig on this, but ... Edit: Yes, that's commonly known. --NS Mods - if this is unacceptable, please edit or delete. I'm fine with that. __________________ They don’t think it be like it is, but it do. Want more U-boat Kaleun portraits for your SH3 Commander Profiles? Download the SH3 Commander Portrait Pack here. Last edited by Onkel Neal; 02-19-10 at 09:49 AM.

02-19-10, 02:58 PM	#29
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,552 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Whether the individual decides to boycott the game because of the DRM or chooses to buy it despite having misgivings is entirely down to each individuals choice. Turning to or supporting the position regarding piracy can not and should not be condoned in any way shape or form. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

02-19-10, 08:06 AM	#17
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	Good luck to you. I also tend to spend time working visiting, doing other things however there are times when sinking ships is a great way to kill off some time. For example: I regularly visit a city an hours flight away that I lived in for 4 years. There ain't much I've not seen of it and when I'm finished work after a 12 or 13 hour day and feel like relaxing instead of going out to meet some mates for a beer, sometimes cracking the laptop and sinking some ships is a nice way to do it. I also travel internationally quite a bit and when I've seen most of the in flight entertainment, finished the meal and some work and have another 4 hours to kill before feeling tired enough to sleep, again sinking ships would kill some time in the air. Unfortunately that won't be possible with SHV. You all know why...

02-19-10, 08:46 AM	#22
Fincuan Admiral Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Suomi, sauna, puukko, perkele Posts: 2,346 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	It was an analogy in an effort to demonstrate how the average gamer feels DRM complicates his life without any gains and actually promotes such "shortcuts", not how I'm going to act. Besides I said "taking the can without them(the DRM 'watchdog', which may or may not be the same as the developer) noticing", not "without paying". edit: In the case of SH5 it might be that the latter approach is impossible.