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[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Fincuan

Sigh... If it only were "patrolling the streets", but no... A more fitting analogy would be:
"Because I bought a can of soda the police are knocking on my door every 10 seconds and searching through my house to verify the can is legally obtained. Next time I'll just take the can without them knowing."

No, not really. More like there's a tiny lil cop in a metal box under my desk, and he's not making any noise as long as my game is legal

And thank you for becoming a part of the problem. I look forward to knowing the next time I buy a game, I am paying for you as well.

[Fincuan]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

And thank you for becoming a part of the problem. I look forward to knowing the next time I buy a game, I am paying for you as well.

I really expected more from you than this same "He's against DRM so he MUST be a pirate"-thinking. I'll put this very simply: If a game is worth playing it's worth buying. The proposed DRM scheme makes SH5 not worth playing for me, so I sure as hell am not going to buy it either.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Fincuan

I really expected more from you than this same "He's against DRM so he MUST be a pirate"-thinking. I'll put this very simply: If a game is worth playing it's worth buying. The proposed DRM scheme makes SH5 not worth playing for me, so I sure as hell am not going to buy it either.

Excuse me, but didn't you say: Next time I'll just take the can without them knowing.

Saying you "expected more from me" implies that if I pretend I didn't read that, I am ok. How could have ever expected me to ignore that?

But we're still mates

[Fincuan]

It was an analogy in an effort to demonstrate how the average gamer feels DRM complicates his life without any gains and actually promotes such "shortcuts", not how I'm going to act. Besides I said "taking the can without them(the DRM 'watchdog', which may or may not be the same as the developer) noticing", not "without paying".
edit: In the case of SH5 it might be that the latter approach is impossible.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Fincuan

It was an analogy in an effort to demonstrate how the average gamer feels DRM complicates his life without any gains and actually promotes such "shortcuts", not how I'm going to act. Besides I said "taking the can without them(the DRM 'watchdog', which may or may not be the same as the developer) noticing", not "without paying".
edit: In the case of SH5 it might be that the latter approach is impossible.

Ok, I understand, so you were speaking from the viewpoint of the typical gamer? I offer my sincere apologies, I read that as if Fincuan were gearing up to steal games. I am relieved to know that's not the case, I expected more from you than that too! Glad to know my expectations were well-founded, thanks. Edit: PS: you have to remember it's hard for me to know all of you as well as you know me Sorry

Originally Posted by Brag

The problem with DRM, it is alienating large numbers of people, thus worsening the piracy problem.

Possibly, but those who choose to let this sway them into piracy, do not have strong principles to begin with.

If this DRM bothered me so much, I would buy the game, make a video of me burning it, and post it on YouTube. Now that would make a statement!

[mookiemookie]

I'm probably treading very close to the brig on this, but ...

Edit: Yes, that's commonly known. --NS

Mods - if this is unacceptable, please edit or delete. I'm fine with that.

[martes86]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

If this DRM bothered me so much, I would buy the game, make a video of me burning it, and post it on YouTube. Now that would make a statement!

Then you could just burn your money as well, lol. In this world of crysis, I don't think it would be well regarded to burn your own money.

[Nordmann]

Originally Posted by MasterCaine

We have become a society of sheep, and sheep can easily be herded.

Sadly this is all too true. People are only too willing to accept more and more restrictions in their lives, more laws, more enforcement measures. It's an ongoing process of gradual oppression, of which most appear oblivious. It's the age old case of bread and circuses, keep the unwashed masses amused, so they do not focus on their lack of freedom. But watch out, say anything against this system and you're in for a brow beating.

[JScones]

Originally Posted by Nordmann

Sadly this is all too true. People are only too willing to accept more and more restrictions in their lives, more laws, more enforcement measures. It's an ongoing process of gradual oppression, of which most appear oblivious. It's the age old case of bread and circuses, keep the unwashed masses amused, so they do not focus on their lack of freedom. But watch out, say anything against this system and you're in for a brow beating.

Reminds me of a poignant quote from Desmond Tutu:

If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality.

Not implying a comparison to SH5 mind you, but still thought provoking nonetheless...

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by JScones

Reminds me of a poignant quote from Desmond Tutu:

Not implying a comparison to SH5 mind you, but still thought provoking nonetheless...

Similarly this quote by Thomas Jefferson:

All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.

[Brag]

The problem with DRM, it is alienating large numbers of people, thus worsening the piracy problem.

[HundertzehnGustav]

Then you will pay for a whole lot of "other people".
I still dont need that cop right there.

Down with it.
The more i see talk about it, the more i feel like kicking the dead horse or some stupd beancounter donkey in th butt.

This is my PC. There are many like it, but this one is mine.

[Tonnage_Ace]

Haha nice FMJ ref

[NeonSamurai]

I think some of you missed the point of the comic, it is actually a statement against piracy.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/2010/2/19/

Originally Posted by Penny Arcade

A Cyclical Argument With A Literal Strawman

Alright. So, Ubisoft's new DRM. Supports unlimited installs and Cloud-based save data. Requires absolutely unbroken access to their master servers, or the product ceases to function. I can boil it right down for you:
Nobody wins.
Well, except pirates. Pirates always win, on a long enough timeline. Honestly, the timeline doesn't even need to be that long.
Visit any thread regarding the topic, and I mean any thread, and it won't be three posts until someone raises the Goddamned Jolly Roger and says they'll pirate the game as a gesture consistent with some comprehensive ur-morality they've ginned up, one where stealing things is alright provided they were very angry when they did it. It's entirely possible that you don't like being spoken to in this way, but somebody has to get this done. What Ubisoft is doing here is Draconian - I don't mean those lizard dudes, I'm talking about laws which are characterized by their severity. Before they eventually dismantle it, and it will be dismantled, it will have achieved exactly the opposite of their intention. But what I won't tolerate from rational beings is the idea that you don't understand why they're doing it.
Every avenue of convenience for the user is also a vector of exploitation.
They have given up.
As fiery rhetoric goes, this sucks. It doesn't have that revolutionary quality that rallies the faithful. The trouble is that this dialogue between pirates and publishers, one which was always characterized by falsehood and ill-will, has ceased to exist in this case. A maneuver this extreme means that they're finished talking altogether: this mechanism is their response, the final word. Only it's impossible to get the final word here in The Cloud. Ever.
And no-one of any sense has ever bet against the scorn and resourcefulness of young men.
(CW)TB out.

Anyhow for all you would be pirates ready to 'stick it to the man' by pirating SH5, I wouldn't hold your breath. I don't expect this DRM to be broken any time soon, and SH5 would be the last game on the list to bother with (particularly when compared to AC2 and SC Conviction), if ever.

I will not be buying any further Ubisoft games due to this new form of DRM until the DRM is removed (which may happen if sales are actually worse with it). Being angry over the DRM does not give license to steal the work, the DRM is there largely because of stealing. Software piracy has become a huge problem due to the ease at which people can now commit it. Any drooling moron can do it now, as evidenced by the huge numbers of idiots who contact tech support over problems with their stolen game.

Piracy has gotten so far out of hand that it is not unusual for games to hit 4:1 or higher pirated:bought ratios. Some games have hit 90% piracy rates (that means out of 10 people who have the game 9 are pirates)! No matter how you slice it this is costing the companies a fortune, especially when compared to console piracy rates, which are considerably lower (well below 1:1) due to the added difficulty, and if it continues it will eventually wreck PC gaming.

Now I am not going to say that the game companies are all saints. They release plenty of garbage that is either just bad, buggy, and/or broken. I'm sure everyone of us can point to at least one game we bought where we got ripped off. Sometimes they fix the game, too often they don't, or just barely make the game work. A lot of this is their fault sure, but piracy doesn't help either. Number of copies sold helps determine if its economical to patch the game or not. I don't agree with game companies doing this, and I think when they do this, they are stealing from us. But this doesn't justify wholesale piracy back either, as its not the bad games that get pirated like crazy, its the top games; games that the game companies deserve to be paid for, for making a good game.

Anyhow all I am going to say on this issue.

[Bilge_Rat]

Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav

Then you will pay for a whole lot of "other people".
I still dont need that cop right there.

Down with it.
The more i see talk about it, the more i feel like kicking the dead horse or some stupd beancounter donkey in th butt.

This is my PC. There are many like it, but this one is mine.

I saw the movie. He shoots his drill sergeant and blows his head off........Is it because Ubi added Uplay to their games?.....






and to put all the Hysteria about DRM in perspective, how about this oldie but goodie...

Steam's DRM is the kind of DRM that open source advocates have nightmares about. It takes a technical stance that is firmly in favour of copyright holders. While this may be good for drumming up business, it also highlights some of Steam's and DRM's biggest flaws.

First of all, there is no allowance made for playing offline. If you don't have an internet connection then you can't play your game, even if it's a single player game that doesn't neccessarily need an internet connection. That is, until Valve decides to make a version of Steam that will work without a network connection.

http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2003/9/13/03945/7308

or this:

http://www.petitiononline.com/nosteam/petition.html