Subsim Video: New Manual TDC Video in HD (2/13/10) - Page 2

oscar19681 · 02-14-10, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

You're welcome.

The TDC works about the same as before, except the interface is much less "authentic" looking than before.

Thanks again for that daddy yo!

Nordmann · 02-14-10, 12:09 AM

I can't really say I'm overly enthusiastic about the GUI, it seems far too minimalistic. Where the hell are the panels, dials, lights, switches etc etc we had in SH3, and to an extent SH4? They're all gone! Modders please step forward, you always do a much better job than the so called "professionals", this minimalist rubbish has to go.

brandtryan · 02-14-10, 12:17 AM

FYI: from Blair's "Hitler's U-Boat War" pp. 43

"In submerged daylight attacks the captain, who had sole access to the attack periscope, conducted the approach, assisted by the first watch officer at a plotting board, then aimed and fired the torpedoes. The night surface attack, the captain conducted the approach at the plotting board in the control room, but he did not fire the torpedoes. That task was delegated to the first watch officer on the bridge, using the high-power Zeiss binoculars mounted on a gyro-scope compass repeater. It was a more efficient system, but not many captains willingly delegated the torpedo firing to the first watch officers. No other navy adopted this technique."

Méo · 02-14-10, 12:22 AM

Thanks Neal,

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

The TDC works about the same as before, except the interface is much less "authentic" looking than before.

However, the more I see, the more I realize we will need a colossal effort by the modding community, will we be as lucky as we were during the GWX times..

FIREWALL · 02-14-10, 12:28 AM

Thx Neal

That was what I was the most concerned about of the whole sim.

I've never played or bought a RPG. And I won't start now.

I buy Simulators or as close as they can get.

Imo this doesn't cut it as a Sim.

I will buy it. But at the Ebay bargain bin someday to add it to my Sub game collection.

I'm happy with SHIII\GWX3

Nordmann · 02-14-10, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Méo

Thanks Neal,

However, the more I see, the more I realize we will need a colossal effort by the modding community, will we be as lucky as we were during the GWX times..

It's always the same. The developers do a quick and sloppy job, a lick of paint here, some insulation tape there, and then leave it to the community to make something decent out of it. A damned shame, given the resources they have access to, but it all comes down to time and money.

mookiemookie · 02-14-10, 12:40 AM

I don't mind this. The captain was not turning the TDC dials himself, but rather his subordinates. It looks like it works pretty close to how it was really done. Good work!

Weather-guesser · 02-14-10, 12:49 AM

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a lick of paint here, some insulation tape there

I think you are coating that on with a wide brush...I'm sure the devs do a little more than that

GoldenRivet · 02-14-10, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

I don't mind this. The captain was not turning the TDC dials himself, but rather his subordinates. It looks like it works pretty close to how it was really done. Good work!

agree 100%

captain calls out his observations and the subordinates take care of the dial turning.

thats how it worked, and i can see thats what they were going for in SHV

Turbografx · 02-14-10, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

I don't mind this. The captain was not turning the TDC dials himself, but rather his subordinates. It looks like it works pretty close to how it was really done. Good work!

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

agree 100%

captain calls out his observations and the subordinates take care of the dial turning.

thats how it worked, and i can see thats what they were going for in SHV

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It was a more efficient system, but not many captains willingly delegated the torpedo firing to the first watch officers.

From above.

JScones · 02-14-10, 01:04 AM

Should I be able to browse through the "recognition manual" while still looking through the periscope?

Still, better than what I expected. I don't mind the hyperlink approach simply because I can't think of any other way to give the IWO the correct settings (yelling at the monitor doesn't seem to work).

Weather-guesser · 02-14-10, 01:31 AM

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yelling at the monitor doesn't seem to work

Onkel Neal · 02-14-10, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by razark

It seems to me they could have put the dialog boxes off to the left, where the map was, instead of blocking the scope view.

Yes, I feel the same way. There's plenty of blank space to the left, why not move Mini-me over there with this TDC and ID stuff. And I liked the old ID manuals much better, when they offered several angles.

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Originally Posted by Frnocom

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Originally Posted by Lanzfeld

Seems to me you really messed up the AOB but you still hit the target? Ahhhh..you fired a big spread thats why.

Also...after you put in the AOB the range changed....very strange.

I was going to say the same thing....messed up AOB?

I'm still experimenting with how the AOB works. In this case, I set it to what I thought should be the path of the target. So, where I stuck the little tick mark, that's where I see the vessel in relation to me viewing from 180. Is the vessel in the center of the circle my sub or the target? I may have done it wrong, I don't know.

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

I don't mind this. The captain was not turning the TDC dials himself, but rather his subordinates. It looks like it works pretty close to how it was really done. Good work!

Yeah, there are some players who don't want to touch the TDC and there are some who do. I'm the latter, but this game seems more geared to the former.

LukeFF · 02-14-10, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Frnocom

If I am right, then it would be even more "realistic" or "authentic" or whateveryouwannacallit, for the captain (the player) to to just call out the variables such as the way it was done in the video while somebody else input the values into the TDC....yes/no? That would make this even more realistic since it seems like it is supposed to be more of a 1st person experience this time around. The captain only has two hands.

Very good explanation!

malkuth74 · 02-14-10, 01:40 AM

What are those bars over the ships when Neals cursor went over them. I can't wait for this game, but please tell me that is not a life bar or something.

02-14-10, 12:09 AM	#17
Nordmann Commodore Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: England Posts: 628 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	I can't really say I'm overly enthusiastic about the GUI, it seems far too minimalistic. Where the hell are the panels, dials, lights, switches etc etc we had in SH3, and to an extent SH4? They're all gone! Modders please step forward, you always do a much better job than the so called "professionals", this minimalist rubbish has to go. __________________ "I must confess that my imagination refuses to see any sort of submarine doing anything but suffocating its crew and floundering at sea." - H. G. Wells

02-14-10, 12:17 AM	#18
brandtryan Engineer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Indianapolis, United States Posts: 214 Downloads: 122 Uploads: 0	FYI: from Blair's "Hitler's U-Boat War" pp. 43 "In submerged daylight attacks the captain, who had sole access to the attack periscope, conducted the approach, assisted by the first watch officer at a plotting board, then aimed and fired the torpedoes. The night surface attack, the captain conducted the approach at the plotting board in the control room, but he did not fire the torpedoes. That task was delegated to the first watch officer on the bridge, using the high-power Zeiss binoculars mounted on a gyro-scope compass repeater. It was a more efficient system, but not many captains willingly delegated the torpedo firing to the first watch officers. No other navy adopted this technique." __________________ from Brandt

02-14-10, 12:28 AM	#20
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	Thx Neal That was what I was the most concerned about of the whole sim. I've never played or bought a RPG. And I won't start now. I buy Simulators or as close as they can get. Imo this doesn't cut it as a Sim. I will buy it. But at the Ebay bargain bin someday to add it to my Sub game collection. I'm happy with SHIII\GWX3 __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

02-14-10, 12:40 AM	#22
mookiemookie Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 9,404 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 1	I don't mind this. The captain was not turning the TDC dials himself, but rather his subordinates. It looks like it works pretty close to how it was really done. Good work! __________________ They don’t think it be like it is, but it do. Want more U-boat Kaleun portraits for your SH3 Commander Profiles? Download the SH3 Commander Portrait Pack here.

02-14-10, 01:40 AM	#30
malkuth74 Sonar Guy Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 377 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	What are those bars over the ships when Neals cursor went over them. I can't wait for this game, but please tell me that is not a life bar or something. __________________

02-14-10, 01:04 AM	#26
JScones Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5,501 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Should I be able to browse through the "recognition manual" while still looking through the periscope? Still, better than what I expected. I don't mind the hyperlink approach simply because I can't think of any other way to give the IWO the correct settings (yelling at the monitor doesn't seem to work).