The gawd-almighty merged DRM in Silent Hunter V thread

Méo · 02-03-10, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KING111

One more thing what if you ever want to sell your copy
of the game you can't its registered to you and your
computer

its registered to you and YOUR COMPUTER???

Are you sure of that?

What happens if I try it on my current rig, then 6 months later, I buy a new rig and/or change to windows 7 and/or change my current connection to Broadband ???

I can hardly imagine they (Ubisoft) didn't think about it?

theluckyone17 · 02-03-10, 07:38 PM

I have a Netflix membership. I rent a lot of movies using it... watch them once, then send them back. I have no interest in watching most of them again.

On the other hand, I watched a "communal" copy of Firefly, being passed around by my friends. By the second DVD, I was hooked. I handed the set back, then bought my own.

When Serenity came out, I watched it in the theaters. Twice. Bought the soundtrack after the second viewing. Once the movie came out on DVD, I bought it. When the collector's edition came out, I bought it.

Obviously, I loved Firefly & Serenity.

If gaming companies put out games that I'd want to play often, rather than simply play once and resell... I wouldn't resell them. Go figure

. If a game's produced that has a limited storyline, no modding, and a few days worth of game play... it's gonna get resold.

If the producer is going to actively prevent my ability to resell it, odds are I'm not going to purchase the game in the first place. It's just not worth it.

As a side note, I rarely purchase games to be resold... by the time I want to risk my money on a game that's shaky, the price of the game has dropped. The demand for it has dropped to, along with the price I'm gonna get for it. So it sits on my shelf most of the time... and I end up using it for a coaster.

KING111 · 02-03-10, 08:50 PM

i have got call of duty modern warfare 2 it uses DRM
i have 2 steam accounts because of a virus i
had to format my computer
so i had to reinstall call of duty modern warfare 2
when i reinstalled modern warfare 2 steam asked
me for my name and password
by mistake i used the wrong account
it told me the serial number of the game was
was being used by another account and it would
not let me install the game on my own computer
when i used the account the game was setup on
it installed ok so if i try and sell it and i still have my
steam account running who ever i sell it to will not
be able to install it steam will tell them the number is
setup on another account so it looks like i am stuck
with it for life unless maybe if i close down my steam
account and SH5 is using the same system

Méo · 02-03-10, 09:02 PM

OK, but if you have only 1 username, 1 password and 1 serial number with SH5.

Seems to me like you could sell the game to someone by giving him those ^.

Or maybe I can learn something? (this is not an insult! maybe I can learn something!)

Steeltrap · 02-03-10, 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Méo

OK, but if you have only 1 username, 1 password and 1 serial number with SH5.

Seems to me like you could sell the game to someone by giving him those ^.

Or maybe I can learn something? (this is not an insult! maybe I can learn something!)

With some existing games you can do that, but it's a hassle. It's linked to an e-mail address, typically, so they'll probably want access to that (although the Ubi system should allow you to redirect to a new e-mail). You'll need to give them your Ubi user account details. For Steam, for example, the registration of that copy of the game is linked to your Steam account. It's not transferrable, so you'd need to give the buyer the details of the Steam account to which it is linked. Not good if you inadvertently linked it to your Steam account with 5 other games on it.

What you can't do is use a 3rd party, like a game store, to re-sell it as they won't take such details. You're likely only to be able to sell it to someone you know, which cuts it from 99.99% of the 2nd hand games market.

That's my understanding of it, for what that's worth.

Cheers

Reece · 02-03-10, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Méo

OK, but if you have only 1 username, 1 password and 1 serial number with SH5.

Seems to me like you could sell the game to someone by giving him those ^.

Or maybe I can learn something? (this is not an insult! maybe I can learn something!)

Not if he has other games with UBI, the same account would be used, the username and password would also include your profile, containing email address etc.

Méo · 02-03-10, 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reece

Not if he has other games with UBI, the same account would be used, the username and password would also include your profile, containing email address etc.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steeltrap

With some existing games you can do that, but it's a hassle.

crap! I didn't think about email address, good point.

Now we should stop this discussion right now and delete it, if they see it, next time they will ask us our social insurance number...

Overboard · 02-03-10, 10:38 PM

I have SH1-SH4 but i will not bye this one Sorry, Its time to move on

Robsoie · 02-04-10, 05:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Méo

crap! I didn't think about email address, good point.

Now we should stop this discussion right now and delete it, if they see it, next time they will ask us our social insurance number...

Ah, makes me remember the bright DRM future, but don't worry they are programmed not to enjoy it

czarnaszabla · 02-04-10, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Méo

its registered to you and YOUR COMPUTER???

Are you sure of that?

What happens if I try it on my current rig, then 6 months later, I buy a new rig and/or change to windows 7 and/or change my current connection to Broadband ???

I can hardly imagine they (Ubisoft) didn't think about it?

i think they did. Why else would they register it with a specific computer ;D

but seriously, with the crap that their new DRM is, let's just be glad Ubisoft doesn't sell condoms - imagine using THAT with drm (0_o')

Brag · 02-04-10, 12:09 PM

Originally, this was a thread starter, but got merged and moved.

Who was it who said, A sucker is born every day?
Let’s look at Ubi’s OSP way of doing business transactions.
1.) You give them money
2.) They take it and they send you a DVD
3.) You are now a little bit poorer, Ubi made a bit of money
4.) You install game, register, connect to server and play
5.) Ubi spends money every time you log in to OSP
6.) The more you play, the more money UBI has to spend on you
7.) Ubi does not like spending money after they made a sale.
8.) Now they know your playing habits. Since you save your game on their server, this storage space not only costs Ubi more and more, but they also learn about your personality.
9.) Eventually comes the day when the say, we will no longer spend money to keep this sucker online.
10.) Good morning, sucker! Now you pay us if you want to keep playing.

That’s the 10 Step Program.
Not many suckers are falling for this scheme, but a few are.
Those complaining about the negativity in this forum, watch your wallets!

U796 · 02-04-10, 03:45 PM

It is impossible to play with a protection system like DRM.
A micro break of the Internet and the game is lost.
It will be necessary to save the game every five minutes ....?

I will not buy SH5 until that stupid DRM is removed.
I went back to SH3 and I won't buy SH5.

Platapus · 02-06-10, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brag

8.) Now they know your playing habits. Since you save your game on their server, this storage space not only costs Ubi more and more, but they also learn about your personality.

They learn about your personality from your save games?????

Is sortta like primitive natives believing that if you take their photograph that you own their souls?

How exactly is Ubi gonna learn about my personality from my save games? This is, of course contingent on Ubi caring about my personality in the first place.

Kapitanleutnant · 02-06-10, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Platapus

This is, of course contingent on Ubi caring about my personality in the first place.

Yo what's up my man dig this: sometimes companies like to sell private information about you to advertisers so that they in turn can advertise specific products to you based on this information.
Crazy I know.

note for idiots: I'm not saying that this is what Ubi does, or what they're planning to do. But going "hurr durr why would this giant, profit-driven corporation want to know anything aboot me????" is pretty naive.

Elder-Pirate · 02-06-10, 04:51 PM

Where they can't find you from your mail ( snail mail ) that you trashed ( many people don't shred their mail before trashing ) they can and they will sell your name to many agencies that pay a good sum so they can mail you all sorts of junk mail both snail mail and email.

Prove to me UBI will not do that. I'll bet they will. Greed is greed.

02-04-10, 12:09 PM	#11
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02-04-10, 03:45 PM	#12
U796 Weps Join Date: May 2008 Location: Saint-Denis (La Réunion) Posts: 372 Downloads: 51 Uploads: 0	Trop con UBISOFT It is impossible to play with a protection system like DRM. A micro break of the Internet and the game is lost. It will be necessary to save the game every five minutes ....? I will not buy SH5 until that stupid DRM is removed. I went back to SH3 and I won't buy SH5. __________________ A me suivre, tu passes ! Last edited by Onkel Neal; 02-05-10 at 08:59 AM.

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theluckyone17 Captain Join Date: May 2006 Location: Niskayuna, NY Posts: 482 Downloads: 103 Uploads: 0	I have a Netflix membership. I rent a lot of movies using it... watch them once, then send them back. I have no interest in watching most of them again. On the other hand, I watched a "communal" copy of Firefly, being passed around by my friends. By the second DVD, I was hooked. I handed the set back, then bought my own. When Serenity came out, I watched it in the theaters. Twice. Bought the soundtrack after the second viewing. Once the movie came out on DVD, I bought it. When the collector's edition came out, I bought it. Obviously, I loved Firefly & Serenity. If gaming companies put out games that I'd want to play often, rather than simply play once and resell... I wouldn't resell them. Go figure . If a game's produced that has a limited storyline, no modding, and a few days worth of game play... it's gonna get resold. If the producer is going to actively prevent my ability to resell it, odds are I'm not going to purchase the game in the first place. It's just not worth it. As a side note, I rarely purchase games to be resold... by the time I want to risk my money on a game that's shaky, the price of the game has dropped. The demand for it has dropped to, along with the price I'm gonna get for it. So it sits on my shelf most of the time... and I end up using it for a coaster.

02-03-10, 08:50 PM	#3
KING111 Planesman Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 181 Downloads: 245 Uploads: 0	i have got call of duty modern warfare 2 it uses DRM i have 2 steam accounts because of a virus i had to format my computer so i had to reinstall call of duty modern warfare 2 when i reinstalled modern warfare 2 steam asked me for my name and password by mistake i used the wrong account it told me the serial number of the game was was being used by another account and it would not let me install the game on my own computer when i used the account the game was setup on it installed ok so if i try and sell it and i still have my steam account running who ever i sell it to will not be able to install it steam will tell them the number is setup on another account so it looks like i am stuck with it for life unless maybe if i close down my steam account and SH5 is using the same system

02-03-10, 09:02 PM	#4
Méo Ace of the Deep Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Quebec City Posts: 1,153 Downloads: 258 Uploads: 0	OK, but if you have only 1 username, 1 password and 1 serial number with SH5. Seems to me like you could sell the game to someone by giving him those ^. Or maybe I can learn something? (this is not an insult! maybe I can learn something!)

02-03-10, 10:38 PM	#8
Overboard Medic Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 164 Downloads: 124 Uploads: 0	I have SH1-SH4 but i will not bye this one Sorry, Its time to move on