The gawd-almighty merged DRM in Silent Hunter V thread

[KING111]

One more thing what if you ever want to sell your copy
of the game you can't its regitserd to you and your
computer you can't sell it or even give it away to a friend
lots of gamers buy games play with them for a few months
or even years then sell them to get the money
to buying another game with these one you will be stuck
with it for life even if you don't like it

[IanC]

Originally Posted by KING111

One more thing what if you ever want to sell your copy
of the game you can't its regitserd to you and your
computer you can't sell it or even give it away to a friend
lots of gamers buy games play with them for a few months
or even years then sell them to get the money
to buying another game with these one you will be stuck
with it for life even if you don't like it

Some say that is actually the main reason for DRM/OSP, to stop re-sales, not piracy.

[Méo]

Originally Posted by KING111

One more thing what if you ever want to sell your copy
of the game you can't its registered to you and your
computer

its registered to you and YOUR COMPUTER???

Are you sure of that?

What happens if I try it on my current rig, then 6 months later, I buy a new rig and/or change to windows 7 and/or change my current connection to Broadband ???



I can hardly imagine they (Ubisoft) didn't think about it?

[theluckyone17]

I have a Netflix membership. I rent a lot of movies using it... watch them once, then send them back. I have no interest in watching most of them again.

On the other hand, I watched a "communal" copy of Firefly, being passed around by my friends. By the second DVD, I was hooked. I handed the set back, then bought my own.

When Serenity came out, I watched it in the theaters. Twice. Bought the soundtrack after the second viewing. Once the movie came out on DVD, I bought it. When the collector's edition came out, I bought it.

Obviously, I loved Firefly & Serenity.

If gaming companies put out games that I'd want to play often, rather than simply play once and resell... I wouldn't resell them. Go figure . If a game's produced that has a limited storyline, no modding, and a few days worth of game play... it's gonna get resold.

If the producer is going to actively prevent my ability to resell it, odds are I'm not going to purchase the game in the first place. It's just not worth it.

As a side note, I rarely purchase games to be resold... by the time I want to risk my money on a game that's shaky, the price of the game has dropped. The demand for it has dropped to, along with the price I'm gonna get for it. So it sits on my shelf most of the time... and I end up using it for a coaster.

[KING111]

i have got call of duty modern warfare 2 it uses DRM
i have 2 steam accounts because of a virus i
had to format my computer
so i had to reinstall call of duty modern warfare 2
when i reinstalled modern warfare 2 steam asked
me for my name and password
by mistake i used the wrong account
it told me the serial number of the game was
was being used by another account and it would
not let me install the game on my own computer
when i used the account the game was setup on
it installed ok so if i try and sell it and i still have my
steam account running who ever i sell it to will not
be able to install it steam will tell them the number is
setup on another account so it looks like i am stuck
with it for life unless maybe if i close down my steam
account and SH5 is using the same system

[Méo]

OK, but if you have only 1 username, 1 password and 1 serial number with SH5.

Seems to me like you could sell the game to someone by giving him those ^.

Or maybe I can learn something? (this is not an insult! maybe I can learn something!)

[Steeltrap]

Originally Posted by Méo

OK, but if you have only 1 username, 1 password and 1 serial number with SH5.

Seems to me like you could sell the game to someone by giving him those ^.

Or maybe I can learn something? (this is not an insult! maybe I can learn something!)

With some existing games you can do that, but it's a hassle. It's linked to an e-mail address, typically, so they'll probably want access to that (although the Ubi system should allow you to redirect to a new e-mail). You'll need to give them your Ubi user account details. For Steam, for example, the registration of that copy of the game is linked to your Steam account. It's not transferrable, so you'd need to give the buyer the details of the Steam account to which it is linked. Not good if you inadvertently linked it to your Steam account with 5 other games on it.

What you can't do is use a 3rd party, like a game store, to re-sell it as they won't take such details. You're likely only to be able to sell it to someone you know, which cuts it from 99.99% of the 2nd hand games market.

That's my understanding of it, for what that's worth.

Cheers

[Reece]

Originally Posted by Méo

OK, but if you have only 1 username, 1 password and 1 serial number with SH5.

Seems to me like you could sell the game to someone by giving him those ^.

Or maybe I can learn something? (this is not an insult! maybe I can learn something!)

Not if he has other games with UBI, the same account would be used, the username and password would also include your profile, containing email address etc.

[Méo]

Originally Posted by Reece

Not if he has other games with UBI, the same account would be used, the username and password would also include your profile, containing email address etc.

Originally Posted by Steeltrap

With some existing games you can do that, but it's a hassle.

crap! I didn't think about email address, good point.

Now we should stop this discussion right now and delete it, if they see it, next time they will ask us our social insurance number...

[Overboard]

I have SH1-SH4 but i will not bye this one Sorry, Its time to move on

[Archive1]

Up to now I've been supportive of UBI and was not comfortable with much of the unsupported criticism of SH5, but whoa, I just picked up on this DRM 'feature' of SH5!

I'm now off the buy list. Will stay with my GW modded SH3. Let's hope the GW group gets together again if this seemingly authenticated 'rumor' is true.

Ridiculous. I'm not about to buy a program that tells me which computer I can use it on and when (only when connected).

If this is the path they actually take, I'd say the UBI projections for profit on SH5 just tanked. And that means we all can kiss any SH6 goodby.

[BarjackU977]

No buy for me either. I refuse to follow the path DRM are taking here.

Pirates are bad guys, and companies need funds to work, no question. But I'm not ready to accept everything for the sake of fighting piracy.

Neal said that all games may be so in the future. Future will tell. If enough customers complain and don't buy, companies will miss revenue as well. I know this argument often comes as well.
But for me, it's important to tell them there is a limit, that things need to be balanced.

[JScones]

Originally Posted by martes86

I said Securom for it being one of the most well-known systems. Truth is, that ever since Starforce, I've lost track of what anty-copy systems are currently being used, but surely I could have used any other name, and it'd still sound right. My point was that, almost anything is preferred instead of OSP.

I agree. I was actually reminiscing about the good old days of SecuRom!

Originally Posted by karamazovnew

Don't forget that Ubi made a patch to remove the need for Starforce. So, there's still hope yet.

Technically they didn't - they merely adopted/endorsed the pirate crack that already existed.

Originally Posted by Méo

crap! I didn't think about email address, good point.

Now we should stop this discussion right now and delete it, if they see it, next time they will ask us our social insurance number...

Create a "throwaway" gmail account - SH5@gmail.com (or similar unique name). One that you won't need after getting rid of SH5.

[Ragtag]

Originally Posted by BarjackU977

No buy for me either. I refuse to follow the path DRM are taking here.

Pirates are bad guys, and companies need funds to work, no question. But I'm not ready to accept everything for the sake of fighting piracy.

Neal said that all games may be so in the future. Future will tell. If enough customers complain and don't buy, companies will miss revenue as well. I know this argument often comes as well.
But for me, it's important to tell them there is a limit, that things need to be balanced.

Totally agree and it is important to stick to it.

[Stiebler]

(My original post, for those confused by what follows:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...&postcount=742
)

Arclight said:

Stiebler, I think playing SH5 while your wife empties your wall.. *cough* I mean, does some shopping online, is not going to be an issue. There should be very little traffic between the game and the server, same is true for the shopping.

But how will Madam get onto the Internet while I am using the keyboard/screen for hours at a time?

Neal Stevens said:

You're a modder, maybe you can mod the game so everytime you sink something, a popup appears with ebay sale items for your wife to choose from?

I doubt very much whether Ubisoft will allow their nice shiny new game to be reverse-engineered. Even if I had the talent.

Seriously, though, I was making the important point that Ubisoft's new requirement to be on-line all the time while playing their games debars other users from using the same computer/internet line. No one else seems to have mentioned that.

Stiebler.