All those not buying SH5 please move along.

[Jaeger]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

But most of the people you describe have never heard of Subsim, so they don't count as far these discussions are concerned.

You might have a more valid argument if the OP had titled this the "SH5 As-is (DRM included) Cheerleading Thread" and politely asked everyone who felt otherwise to not post, but calling everyone who disagrees "whiners" and demanding that they stop posting in the SH5 forums altogether was a certain invitation for a knock-down drag-out brawl.

yeah, you're right here. the chosen words were not a good choice.

but i have problems with your first argument: we cant discuss the topic ignoring the non subsimmers. they are the main group which will show us, if drm is accepted or not, if sh5 will be a failure or not. we can fight against drm, but we have to accept when drm wont be a non-buy-argument for the majority, including me. lots of people blame ubi, but if the main group dont hate drm, ubi was right.

[Jaeger]

Originally Posted by onelifecrisis

Er...
Who needs to grow up now?

I wish people would stop telling each other they're not welcome on this forum. It's such BS. I thought the title of this thread was funny at first but the way this discussion has degenerated is just pathetic.

good post, i regret, if i was to harsh. you are right here.

[Jaeger]

Originally Posted by IanC

Don't underestimate the casual buyer. I'm willing to bet that more than a few will look behind the box, see "constant internet connection required" and stick the box back on the rack.

perhaps you are right, but i dont think so. we will see...

please try to use the multi-quote feature instead of several posts in a row, it takes less room and neal spent time and effort to give you this multi-quote feature

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Jaeger

but i have problems with your first argument: we cant discuss the topic ignoring the non subsimmers. they are the main group which will show us, if drm is accepted or not, if sh5 will be a failure or not. we can fight against drm, but we have to accept when drm wont be a non-buy-argument for the majority, including me. lots of people blame ubi, but if the main group dont hate drm, ubi was right.

Good point. I was mainly addressing the question of where and when it's valid to complain.

While I can see your concept of the main group's buying habits, I also think that a major portion of the reaction we're seeing here is the (possibly vain) hope that UBI will get the message, and if the DRM isn't abandoned altogether at least we'll be able to play offline.

[Jaeger]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Good point. I was mainly addressing the question of where and when it's valid to complain.

While I can see your concept of the main gry vain"oup's buying habits, I also think that a major portion of the reaction we're seeing here is the (possibly vain) hope that UBI will get the message, and if the DRM isn't abandoned altogether at least we'll be able to play offline.

yeah, right, i am with you here. "possibly vain" is a good formula here... i am a realistic guy, others are perhaps more emotional.

Originally Posted by Webster

please try to use the multi-quote feature instead of several posts in a row, it takes less room and neal spent time and effort to give you this multi-quote feature

understood, as you can see

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Good point. I was mainly addressing the question of where and when it's valid to complain.

While I can see your concept of the main group's buying habits, I also think that a major portion of the reaction we're seeing here is the (possibly vain) hope that UBI will get the message, and if the DRM isn't abandoned altogether at least we'll be able to play offline.

If sales are poor I predict a patch removing the need for online access.

Fingers crossed

[Brag]

I back Jimbuna's prediction. It looks like SH5 sales during first month after release will be waaaay down.

[bigboywooly]

Originally Posted by Webster

please try to use the multi-quote feature instead of several posts in a row, it takes less room and neal spent time and effort to give you this multi-quote feature

Mines broke

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Brag

I back Jimbuna's prediction. It looks like SH5 sales during first month after release will be waaaay down.

I meant "fingers crossed" for the release of a patch and not a wish or desire for a poor sales figure

[Brag]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

I meant "fingers crossed" for the release of a patch and not a wish or desire for a poor sales figure

If they relase without DRM/OSP they may have best sales ever. At least I hope so.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Brag

If they relase without DRM/OSP they may have best sales ever. At least I hope so.

Rgr that

[THE_MASK]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Rgr that

The game in australia has already been clasified here "Gaming experience may change online" so i would say its definately going to be online game only .

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by sober

The game in australia has already been clasified here "Gaming experience may change online" so i would say its definately going to be online game only .

Your probably right but there is nothing wrong with hoping for a sudden change of direction.

Ever the optimist.

[HundertzehnGustav]

We be Modders and players alike. we be willing to bring the "Yes we can" attitude to SHV.
We gonna get that damn thing offline.

"YES WEEKEND!!"