All those not buying SH5 please move along. - Page 10

Kapitan_Phillips · 01-30-10, 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by trenken

Technology improves, you roll with it or get left behind. It's ALWAYS been that way.

That reminds me of someone

Do we have a Cyberman in our ranks?

GREY WOLF 3 · 01-30-10, 05:48 AM

Originally Posted by cherbert

Well I for one am getting sick of this place now. If Neil wants to continue to allow this nonsense them I'm gone. I strongly believe he is making a big mistake allowing this to happen in this forum.

Bye

Reece · 01-30-10, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by cherbert

Well I for one am getting sick of this place now. If Neil wants to continue to allow this nonsense them I'm gone. I strongly believe he is making a big mistake allowing this to happen in this forum.

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Originally Posted by Grey Wolf 3:
Bye

I'm not saying a thing Neal!!

I want to though!!

Gotmilk · 01-30-10, 06:17 AM

This is so funny. You guys are getting too personal. Let UBI put their DRM in there. Just stop fighting with each other. It is not worth it.

There is no reason to be a positive about this DRM thing, but there is also no reason to waste all your free time in this forum and arguing about the thing that wont change anyway.

This used to be such a great community.

bigboywooly · 01-30-10, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Gotmilk

This is so funny. You guys are getting too personal. Let UBI put their DRM in there. Just stop fighting with each other. It is not worth it.

There is no reason to be a positive about this DRM thing, but there is also no reason to waste all your free time in this forum and arguing about the thing that wont change anyway.

This used to be such a great community.

Still is
I see no one keelhauled or outright nastiness
Ppl disagree
Whether here, at work or in the pub
Fact of life

And its not fighting
Its open discussion

Ummmm what a forum is for basically

HundertzehnGustav · 01-30-10, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Gotmilk

This is so funny. You guys are getting too personal. Let UBI put their DRM in there. Just stop fighting with each other. It is not worth it.

There is no reason to be a positive about this DRM thing, but there is also no reason to waste all your free time in this forum and arguing about the thing that wont change anyway.

This used to be such a great community.

It still is.
If these Armani-suit/BMW driving Managers of the publishing company owuld just take their Hands off the Game, you would see the samlme thing for SHV than for SHIII.

It aint the forum, its the ubi marketing.

janh · 01-30-10, 11:45 AM

Cherbet, Jaeger & Co. . Nobody has to leave here. You are just among the 10% left here that do not mind the new DRM. The majority is obviously a little bit unhappy about it, and they have the right to vent as much as you do.

onelifecrisis · 01-30-10, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by janh

Cherbet, Jaeger & Co. Grow up. Nobody has to leave here.

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...you guys are better off on the UBI Forums.

Er...
Who needs to grow up now?

I wish people would stop telling each other they're not welcome on this forum. It's such BS. I thought the title of this thread was funny at first but the way this discussion has degenerated is just pathetic.

CaptainHaplo · 01-30-10, 12:05 PM

Cherbert - here is the crux of the matter:

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I see no reason to fight it because I see it as being the future of things and not worth fighting.

You don't see it as a fight worth having with Ubi. Most members of this forum disagree - for a variety of reasons. Some have technical reasons, some are issues of private rights, and some disagree on purely the principal of the matter.

In the end, we will all simply have to agree to disagree on this. If your ok with the issue, then just ignore the negative and focus on the positives of the game that appeal to you. Thats YOUR right just as much as it is for some to focus on what they see as a deal breaking move by Ubi.

Jaeger · 01-30-10, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by martes86

Are you serious? Do you have facts or real data sources to say that??
Because this system is impopular for some reasons. Impopular means that the majority don't like it, which I conclude from all the reading I've been doing lately.

While they might be clouding a little too many threads, I think it's fair they voice their anger for some bad decision of those that, in exchange for our money, should be providing a quality service. Unless you think we're a bunch of morons, and that we should all settle down for crappy or unlikeable stuff.

Cheers

here at subsim, most people are against drm, thats right. but think of the thousands of sh5 buyers out there. these "casual gamers", not interested in simming, but in arcade games, will buy it with or without drm. and ubi knows, who is the major group of buyers: thats why they will bring sh5 on console and thats why they made it as an "easy to learneasy interface" game... the real subsimmers are a very small minority! we can be happy to find the modding possibility to mod in the realism.

karamazovnew · 01-30-10, 12:08 PM

This post count thing really has to stop. Fighting too...
One would have the impression that we here are deciding the future of DRM on PC games. We're not:
- No one would like such a system if they had dial-up in their home, or traveled much.
- No one would like to see an end of PC gaming or the devs of SH5 losing their jobs because of lack of sales due to piracy.
- No one would like to see Ubi's servers in maintenance and not be able to play.
- No one really cares about pirates and their "rights" to try before buying. Unless...

In other words, we all accept that Ubi has the right to protect it's products. OSP for multiple games, in ideal conditions, is a very neat system. Anyone that has ever played a MMO would agree, as it is simple and non intrusive. We will either go along with the flow, or stop buying. Sale numbers will decide if Ubi decides to continue this tactic, lessen it, or abandon it completely.

I'm an eye-candy man. I worked for 3 months to bring OLC's interface to SH4 just to see the pretty graphics. I deffinitly won't ignore SH5. The game might suck so I'll wait a couple of days to see reviews and make up my mind. Sooner or later Ubi will find a way to resolve this issue of DRM and allow us to play SH5 (a single player game, with mods!) offline as it should be.

PS: let's not transform Subsim into a battleground of legal rights. Newcomers might think this is all that Subsim is about. All that could've been said, HAS been said already multiple times. Let's move on, either plan SH5 mods, or return to the other sections. I for one has just started a new campaign in SH3 and enjoying it to the fullest.

Power to the players!

IanC · 01-30-10, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaeger

here at subsim, most people are against drm, thats right. but think of the thousands of sh5 buyers out there. these "casual gamers", not interested in simming, but in arcade games, will buy it with or without drm.

Don't underestimate the casual buyer. I'm willing to bet that more than a few will look behind the box, see "constant internet connection required" and stick the box back on the rack.

Sailor Steve · 01-30-10, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by cherbert

Failing that can Neil create a forum called SH5 - Anti-DRM campaign. And leave the rest of us to look forward to this game in peace.

Neal.

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Originally Posted by Jaeger

i know, the sh titles selled 1,5 mios of times. i dont think these are all "realism fanatics" like we are. most of them (and these "most" dictate the targest of ubi!) are casual gamers...

But most of the people you describe have never heard of Subsim, so they don't count as far these discussions are concerned.

You might have a more valid argument if the OP had titled this the "SH5 As-is (DRM included) Cheerleading Thread" and politely asked everyone who felt otherwise to not post, but calling everyone who disagrees "whiners" and demanding that they stop posting in the SH5 forums altogether was a certain invitation for a knock-down drag-out brawl.

Steeltrap · 01-30-10, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

You might have a more valid argument if the OP had titled this the "SH5 As-is (DRM included) Cheerleading Thread" and politely asked everyone who felt otherwise to not post, but calling everyone who disagrees "whiners" and demanding that they stop posting in the SH5 forums altogether was a certain invitation for a knock-down drag-out brawl.

Gatt · 01-30-10, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by cherbert

Can all the whiners who are not buying SH5 please leave and go back to the SH3 and SH4 forums you really are polluting the threads in here.

No.

01-30-10, 05:48 AM	#137
GREY WOLF 3 中国水兵 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Down deep avoiding drm attacks Posts: 284 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	Originally Posted by cherbert Well I for one am getting sick of this place now. If Neil wants to continue to allow this nonsense them I'm gone. I strongly believe he is making a big mistake allowing this to happen in this forum. Bye __________________

01-30-10, 11:45 AM	#142
janh Stinking drunk in Trinidad Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 349 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Cherbet, Jaeger & Co. . Nobody has to leave here. You are just among the 10% left here that do not mind the new DRM. The majority is obviously a little bit unhappy about it, and they have the right to vent as much as you do. Last edited by Onkel Neal; 01-30-10 at 11:49 PM. Reason: Please don't suggest someone has to leave for expressing their opinion

01-30-10, 06:17 AM	#139
Gotmilk Planesman Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 192 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	This is so funny. You guys are getting too personal. Let UBI put their DRM in there. Just stop fighting with each other. It is not worth it. There is no reason to be a positive about this DRM thing, but there is also no reason to waste all your free time in this forum and arguing about the thing that wont change anyway. This used to be such a great community.

01-30-10, 12:08 PM	#146
karamazovnew The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 1,403 Downloads: 151 Uploads: 0	This post count thing really has to stop. Fighting too... One would have the impression that we here are deciding the future of DRM on PC games. We're not: - No one would like such a system if they had dial-up in their home, or traveled much. - No one would like to see an end of PC gaming or the devs of SH5 losing their jobs because of lack of sales due to piracy. - No one would like to see Ubi's servers in maintenance and not be able to play. - No one really cares about pirates and their "rights" to try before buying. Unless... In other words, we all accept that Ubi has the right to protect it's products. OSP for multiple games, in ideal conditions, is a very neat system. Anyone that has ever played a MMO would agree, as it is simple and non intrusive. We will either go along with the flow, or stop buying. Sale numbers will decide if Ubi decides to continue this tactic, lessen it, or abandon it completely. I'm an eye-candy man. I worked for 3 months to bring OLC's interface to SH4 just to see the pretty graphics. I deffinitly won't ignore SH5. The game might suck so I'll wait a couple of days to see reviews and make up my mind. Sooner or later Ubi will find a way to resolve this issue of DRM and allow us to play SH5 (a single player game, with mods!) offline as it should be. PS: let's not transform Subsim into a battleground of legal rights. Newcomers might think this is all that Subsim is about. All that could've been said, HAS been said already multiple times. Let's move on, either plan SH5 mods, or return to the other sections. I for one has just started a new campaign in SH3 and enjoying it to the fullest. Power to the players!