All those not buying SH5 please move along.

[Jaeger]

Originally Posted by sabretwo

Where do you get "most" from?

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=160783

i know, the sh titles selled 1,5 mios of times. i dont think these are all "realism fanatics" like we are. most of them (and these "most" dictate the targest of ubi!) are casual gamers...

And all the rest who found its implementation to SH5 applausable by UBI..

[Jaeger]

Originally Posted by zulus

And all the rest who found its implementation to SH5 applausable by UBI..

this is a good example of what i was talking about: please become factual and dont dash each thread with these, non factual postings. this thread is about banishing the bitchers, not about drm itself, ok?

[janh]

onelifecrisis, on this one you got me. I got a bit worked up about this pointless DRM disaster. It correctly should have read: "If someone has to leave, then I think that you guys would be much happier at... than people not concurring with UBI's DRM plans."

Unfortunately that kind of lost the core point that I made: No one does have to leave -- everyone is entitled to his opinion. It is just a shame to see UBI risk the success of their programmers and the good old SH series. Oh well, SH3+GWX only misses wolve packs.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by cherbert

Failing that can Neil create a forum called SH5 - Anti-DRM campaign. And leave the rest of us to look forward to this game in peace.

Neal.

Originally Posted by Jaeger

i know, the sh titles selled 1,5 mios of times. i dont think these are all "realism fanatics" like we are. most of them (and these "most" dictate the targest of ubi!) are casual gamers...

But most of the people you describe have never heard of Subsim, so they don't count as far these discussions are concerned.

You might have a more valid argument if the OP had titled this the "SH5 As-is (DRM included) Cheerleading Thread" and politely asked everyone who felt otherwise to not post, but calling everyone who disagrees "whiners" and demanding that they stop posting in the SH5 forums altogether was a certain invitation for a knock-down drag-out brawl.

[Steeltrap]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

You might have a more valid argument if the OP had titled this the "SH5 As-is (DRM included) Cheerleading Thread" and politely asked everyone who felt otherwise to not post, but calling everyone who disagrees "whiners" and demanding that they stop posting in the SH5 forums altogether was a certain invitation for a knock-down drag-out brawl.

[Jaeger]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

But most of the people you describe have never heard of Subsim, so they don't count as far these discussions are concerned.

You might have a more valid argument if the OP had titled this the "SH5 As-is (DRM included) Cheerleading Thread" and politely asked everyone who felt otherwise to not post, but calling everyone who disagrees "whiners" and demanding that they stop posting in the SH5 forums altogether was a certain invitation for a knock-down drag-out brawl.

yeah, you're right here. the chosen words were not a good choice.

but i have problems with your first argument: we cant discuss the topic ignoring the non subsimmers. they are the main group which will show us, if drm is accepted or not, if sh5 will be a failure or not. we can fight against drm, but we have to accept when drm wont be a non-buy-argument for the majority, including me. lots of people blame ubi, but if the main group dont hate drm, ubi was right.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Jaeger

but i have problems with your first argument: we cant discuss the topic ignoring the non subsimmers. they are the main group which will show us, if drm is accepted or not, if sh5 will be a failure or not. we can fight against drm, but we have to accept when drm wont be a non-buy-argument for the majority, including me. lots of people blame ubi, but if the main group dont hate drm, ubi was right.

Good point. I was mainly addressing the question of where and when it's valid to complain.

While I can see your concept of the main group's buying habits, I also think that a major portion of the reaction we're seeing here is the (possibly vain) hope that UBI will get the message, and if the DRM isn't abandoned altogether at least we'll be able to play offline.

[Jaeger]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Good point. I was mainly addressing the question of where and when it's valid to complain.

While I can see your concept of the main gry vain"oup's buying habits, I also think that a major portion of the reaction we're seeing here is the (possibly vain) hope that UBI will get the message, and if the DRM isn't abandoned altogether at least we'll be able to play offline.

yeah, right, i am with you here. "possibly vain" is a good formula here... i am a realistic guy, others are perhaps more emotional.

Originally Posted by Webster

please try to use the multi-quote feature instead of several posts in a row, it takes less room and neal spent time and effort to give you this multi-quote feature

understood, as you can see

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Good point. I was mainly addressing the question of where and when it's valid to complain.

While I can see your concept of the main group's buying habits, I also think that a major portion of the reaction we're seeing here is the (possibly vain) hope that UBI will get the message, and if the DRM isn't abandoned altogether at least we'll be able to play offline.

If sales are poor I predict a patch removing the need for online access.

Fingers crossed

[Brag]

I back Jimbuna's prediction. It looks like SH5 sales during first month after release will be waaaay down.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Brag

I back Jimbuna's prediction. It looks like SH5 sales during first month after release will be waaaay down.

I meant "fingers crossed" for the release of a patch and not a wish or desire for a poor sales figure