Seriously, would you dare...

ME$$ENGER · 01-31-10, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Méo

But they can't take personal data from your computer, there is international law(s) that protect private life.

Should they cross that line, they would suffer severe consequences.

Well, put it this way. Suppose you buy a car and the dealer installs a device on the car that connects to some server every single time you want to start the engine to prevent the car being started by thieves. It's not taking your personal data, either. Would you agree to it?

To me, I don't want a car that goes ET phone home every time I want to drive it. What if the party in question goes out of business? What if I'm in some remote corner of the world? What if it malfunctions? One result: I'm left stranded somewhere unable to start my damned car!

And in the above example, the device is actually meant to protect my property. In the case of DRM, what does it protect? I know it does nothing good for those that pay.

Méo · 01-31-10, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ME$$ENGER

Well, put it this way. Suppose you buy a car and the dealer installs a device on the car that connects to some server every single time you want to start the engine to prevent the car being started by thieves. It's not taking your personal data, either. Would you agree to it?

Dude, driving a car and be able to reach certain places (your home, the hospital, etc.) is LOT MORE important than playing a game, of course it would be unacceptable, the consequences could be much more dramatic!

ME$$ENGER · 01-31-10, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Méo

Dude, driving a car and be able to reach certain places (your home, the hospital, etc.) is LOT MORE important than playing a game, of course it would be unacceptable, the consequences could be much more dramatic!

Point is not if playing games is more important than driving a car. Point is it's a bad design. Agreed?

HundertzehnGustav · 01-31-10, 06:45 PM

...i have not had sex for 2 months now...

have not had a GF for an entire year...

But i love DRM.

cause DRM.... SUCKS!

Steeltrap · 01-31-10, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav

...i have not had sex for 2 months now...

have not had a GF for an entire year...

But i love DRM.

cause DRM.... SUCKS!

Post of the week!!

Méo · 01-31-10, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav

...i have not had sex for 2 months now...

have not had a GF for an entire year...

But i love DRM.

cause DRM.... SUCKS!

Méo · 01-31-10, 06:49 PM

@Messenger

Of course I Agree!

What I'm trying to say is that all the DRM drama seems to take too much magnitude, IMO. Espacially when someone link this with his personal life by saying ''these dark times''.

Dark times for simulation or game

But not dark times in my personal life!

HundertzehnGustav · 01-31-10, 06:53 PM

Meo... what about "dark times for the entire Gaming industry" or
"dark times for honest customers"

what about "dark times for privacy"?
what about "big brother is watching you"?

These are issues not directly connected to Digital Rights Management, yet they are important in a technologically advanced civilization... because the subject is vast and universal in our "small" world.

ME$$ENGER · 01-31-10, 06:56 PM

I think I speak for everyone in saying that discussing about DRM does not imply we don't have a life. And like HundertzehnGustav said, it's in every way a very relevant topic and has broad implications outside of the gaming industry.

martes86 · 01-31-10, 06:57 PM

I only talk about airsoft or gaming with people that have the same hobbies as me. I wouldn't dare talk about it with my average pal, as they'd probably fall asleep or leave on the excuse they have stuff to do, unless, of course, the issue comes up in a conversation in which I can bring it up. Otherwise, nope, we just talk about the weather, football (soccer in the US), work, girls, and porn.

theluckyone17 · 01-31-10, 07:06 PM

I talked to my wife about it... showed her the Das DRM videos. She understood, and understood why I'm upset at OSP.

I talked to a coworker, who didn't get it at first... then he went "Dude, so it's like spending $50 on a game, then having them say you can't play it? I'd be *PISSED*."

I have no problem speaking in public about it. Granted, there's bigger worries in the world today, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't mention it.

Méo · 01-31-10, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav

Meo... what about "dark times for the entire Gaming industry"

Yep, precisely.

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Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav

what about "dark times for privacy"?
what about "big brother is watching you"?

But that is still to be proved.

Nisgeis · 01-31-10, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Méo

What I'm trying to say is that all the DRM drama seems to take too much magnitude, IMO. Espacially when someone link this with his personal life by saying ''these dark times''.

I think you are ever so slightly too fixated on this 'someone'. The 'DRM relates to my personal mental health' theme is not something that I have seen on subsim and I don't believe it is a cause for concern. I don't think we need to worry about this any more.

Those who defend DRM vehemently don't seem to realise that they are just as vitriolic as the critics. Still, let's all move on, eh?

GoldenRivet · 01-31-10, 10:02 PM

I did in fact talk about the DRM/OSP to my wife the other day at dinner.

I explained the situation to her.

she expressed that her opinion was "If you buy the game it seems that you should be able to use it any time you want... no matter what your internet connection's status might be."

she is a smart girl

Steeltrap · 01-31-10, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

I did in fact talk about the DRM/OSP to my wife the other day at dinner.

I explained the situation to her.

she expressed that her opinion was "If you buy the game it seems that you should be able to use it any time you want... no matter what your internet connection's status might be."

she is a smart girl

Apart from marrying you? (j/k)

01-31-10, 06:45 PM	#4
HundertzehnGustav Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lux, betw. G, B and F Posts: 1,898 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 0	...i have not had sex for 2 months now... have not had a GF for an entire year... But i love DRM. cause DRM.... SUCKS! __________________ In conclusion: SH3 is the shizzle, yo. -Frau Kaleun Another negative about using your deck gun is that you are definately DETECTED, which has long term effects on your relationship with aircraft. -snestorm

01-31-10, 06:53 PM	#8
HundertzehnGustav Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lux, betw. G, B and F Posts: 1,898 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 0	Meo... what about "dark times for the entire Gaming industry" or "dark times for honest customers" what about "dark times for privacy"? what about "big brother is watching you"? These are issues not directly connected to Digital Rights Management, yet they are important in a technologically advanced civilization... because the subject is vast and universal in our "small" world. __________________ In conclusion: SH3 is the shizzle, yo. -Frau Kaleun Another negative about using your deck gun is that you are definately DETECTED, which has long term effects on your relationship with aircraft. -snestorm

01-31-10, 10:02 PM	#14
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	I did in fact talk about the DRM/OSP to my wife the other day at dinner. I explained the situation to her. she expressed that her opinion was "If you buy the game it seems that you should be able to use it any time you want... no matter what your internet connection's status might be." she is a smart girl __________________

01-31-10, 06:49 PM	#7
Méo Ace of the Deep Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Quebec City Posts: 1,153 Downloads: 258 Uploads: 0	@Messenger Of course I Agree! What I'm trying to say is that all the DRM drama seems to take too much magnitude, IMO. Espacially when someone link this with his personal life by saying ''these dark times''. Dark times for simulation or game But not dark times in my personal life!

01-31-10, 06:56 PM	#9
ME$$ENGER Watch Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 27 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	I think I speak for everyone in saying that discussing about DRM does not imply we don't have a life. And like HundertzehnGustav said, it's in every way a very relevant topic and has broad implications outside of the gaming industry.

01-31-10, 06:57 PM	#10
martes86 Grey Wolf Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The Colourful Seville - Spain Posts: 971 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	I only talk about airsoft or gaming with people that have the same hobbies as me. I wouldn't dare talk about it with my average pal, as they'd probably fall asleep or leave on the excuse they have stuff to do, unless, of course, the issue comes up in a conversation in which I can bring it up. Otherwise, nope, we just talk about the weather, football (soccer in the US), work, girls, and porn.

01-31-10, 07:06 PM	#11
theluckyone17 Captain Join Date: May 2006 Location: Niskayuna, NY Posts: 482 Downloads: 103 Uploads: 0	I talked to my wife about it... showed her the Das DRM videos. She understood, and understood why I'm upset at OSP. I talked to a coworker, who didn't get it at first... then he went "Dude, so it's like spending $50 on a game, then having them say you can't play it? I'd be PISSED." I have no problem speaking in public about it. Granted, there's bigger worries in the world today, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't mention it.