If you dont like the online DRM...

GoldenRivet · 01-27-10, 10:03 AM

LOL let me help.

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1. Do i have to have the game disk to play?

Nope, your game disc can be shelved to protect it from scratches and other damages.

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2. Will save games be saved on my PC?

Yes

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3. If i lose connection, will i have to start all the way over back in port?

No, you will start right back where you left off when the connection was lost.

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4. Does the service, by itself, cost anything (per month, etc)?

No

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5. Does UBI install any spyware, malware or fishy software to monitor my online experience?

No

So.....

whats the big deal?

Q3ark · 01-27-10, 10:05 AM

karamazovnew · 01-27-10, 10:13 AM

You're wrong GR. On nr. 3, if you loose net connection the game freezes and waits. If you quit, you can only load the last save, wherever it may have been. We don't know yet if we can then save offline and upload the save to the server.

But the big deal for me is that right now I spend 3-4 days a week away from home. I travel a lot on trains that have electrical sockets, but no net. I can play SH3 just fine on my laptop but I won't be able to play SH5. Sure I could play it at home if I weren't too busy "giving flowers" to my girlfriend. Oh well, SH3 it is then...

GoldenRivet · 01-27-10, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by karamazovnew

You're wrong GR. On nr. 3, if you loose net connection the game freezes and waits. If you quit, you can only load the last save, wherever it may have been.

source, because thats not what i read at ubi.

01-27-10, 10:30 AM

GR I wish you luck but I'm affraid you won't change the tide much. Ppl actually don't want to be attached to internet when they play career and furthermore they don;t want to be dependent from internet connectivity since this might and will interfere with natural gameplay. I deffinetly don't want the game to be paused if I suddenly loose ic. This makes no sence at all.

GoldenRivet · 01-27-10, 10:37 AM

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GR I wish you luck but I'm affraid you won't change the tide much. Ppl actually don't want to be attached to internet when they play career and furthermore they don;t want to be dependent from internet connectivity since this might and will interfere with natural gameplay. I deffinetly don't want the game to be paused if I suddenly loose ic. This makes no sence at all.

Im one of those people who doesnt wish to be attached to the internet when i play in career mode either.

Dont get me wrong, im not all "feel good" about the DRM myself... but i think it is Much Ado About Nothing, and i think that for the most part, players wont even realize its active.

its just a sea of endless complaints - and i find it highly unlikely that ubi is going to change course based on our desires and demands.

GoldenRivet · 01-27-10, 10:38 AM

Sad really.

perhaps ubisoft should just abort? forget about the project?

TDK1044 · 01-27-10, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

Im one of those people who doesnt wish to be attached to the internet when i play in career mode either.

Dont get me wrong, im not all "feel good" about the DRM myself... but i think it is Much Ado About Nothing, and i think that for the most part, players wont even realize its active.

its just a sea of endless complaints - and i find it highly unlikely that ubi is going to change course based on our desires and demands.

You make some valid points, GR. Ironically, I think the biggest hit will be felt right here. These are not "I'm taking my ball and going home" cries we're hearing here. Many members will not purchase Silent Hunter V. If a few of the more experienced modders are among those choosing not to purchase, then the effect here will be noticable.

You'll see the same level of discontent at the Ubi Forum and others.

01-27-10, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

Im one of those people who doesnt wish to be attached to the internet when i play in career mode either.

Dont get me wrong, im not all "feel good" about the DRM myself... but i think it is Much Ado About Nothing, and i think that for the most part, players wont even realize its active.

its just a sea of endless complaints - and i find it highly unlikely that ubi is going to change course based on our desires and demands.

Nop. This is a high time for UBI to open their eyes and ears and listen what subsim lovers are asking for.As you know popularity of submarine simulations aren't that high but it seems they just keep pushing it to make it even smaller ? If they think DRM will protect their software from piracy they are so damned wrong.. Show me at least one protected game that wasn't cracked ? Ppl aren't braindead and they will always find solutions to avoid unnecessary procedures that makes entertainment so complicated or unacceptable from their POW. Simple as that, f.e. motivate me. why should I waste my money, then time registering my account then having headaches if my internet connection is lost or subsim server is down when I was about to attack the convoy if instead I can find a "light" version in the web to download and have no disruptions when I least want them ?

TDK1044 · 01-27-10, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

LOL let me help.

Nope, your game disc can be shelved to protect it from scratches and other damages.

Yes

No, you will start right back where you left off when the connection was lost.

No

No

So.....

whats the big deal?

This is the big deal.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...4&postcount=23

GoldenRivet · 01-27-10, 10:17 AM

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-People who simply want to buy a game with no strings attached.

Read your EULA on ANY game you have ever installed

No strings attached commercial software does not exist that im aware of.

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-People who have no internet connection (either a gaming PC, or navy people in deployment and so on).

So those without internet connection then... I guess nobody will be travelling back to 1984 and playing SHV... bummer

As for people on deployment... i would imagine that SHV will just be on a long list of games they wont be able to play unfortunate as that really is.

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-People who have a connection paid per hour (dialup, some broadband services etc). If you play your weekly 5 hours of SH5 it's going to raise the bill significantly.

People still do this???

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-People who just have a not so stable connection, if your game pauses for anywhere between 5 and 30 minutes everytime there's bad weather or whatever connection issue it's not going to make anybody happy.

While this is true... it brings this image to mind.

(some folks need to roll with the punches and grow up and realize that this scenario is VERY RARE.)

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People who tell others that "this is modernity and if you don't have 27/7 broadband you shouldn't be playing hi-end games", well they're full of ****. The only requirement for a hi-end solo game is a hi-end computer, and those are available regardless of internet coverage. Internet is as relevant to solo gaming as my oven is to my toaster.

an excellent point.

but... you have these options

1. buy the game and deal with it

2. dont buy the game and sulk

3. Do either 1 or 2 but in the mean time, stop crying and whining at subsim about it, it is not our fault and nobody here can do anything about it.

piri_reis · 01-27-10, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

So those without internet connection then... I guess nobody will be travelling back to 1984 and playing SHV... bummer

-People who have a connection paid per hour (dialup, some broadband services etc). If you play your weekly 5 hours of SH5 it's going to raise the bill significantly.

People still do this???

Dude get back down to earth. There are people out there:

Without Internet connection, people that get services w/ quota.
And there are people that want to play the game without needing a connection. (Out at a summer house, on the road, at a coffee shop where there is paid internet, etc..)

GoldenRivet · 01-27-10, 11:03 AM

I completely understand all of the frustrations, really i do.

However, i fail to see what complaining will really do for you besides maybe raise your blood pressure.

Ubi is NOT your friend.

Ubi is a corporation out to make money

dont be delusional about it.

If Ubisoft decides this is the best way for them to protect their bottom line, they have had hundreds of meetings about it before any announcment was ever made... thats the choice they have made, if you chose not to buy the game, all good and well, i have yet to make up my mind as there are no accurate and available reviews of the game... however, stinking up the place is not going to help either way

thats the whole point im trying to make

SteamWake · 01-27-10, 11:10 AM

Announcement.. heh... more like the cat slipped out of the bag

ParaB · 01-27-10, 11:14 AM

You seem to ignore the fact that massive consumer protest in the past HAS actually led major publishers to re-think their DRM policies. You are, of course, free to go into surrender mode (

) but you might also consider that protest (as in protesting with your wallet) CAN actually change the way you, as a customer, are treated.

01-27-10, 10:05 AM	#2
Q3ark Watch Officer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: York, England Posts: 346 Downloads: 47 Uploads: 0	__________________ Johnny was a chemist's son, But Johnny is no more. What Johnny thought was H20 was H2SO4.

01-27-10, 10:38 AM	#7
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	Sad really. perhaps ubisoft should just abort? forget about the project? __________________

01-27-10, 11:03 AM	#13
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	I completely understand all of the frustrations, really i do. However, i fail to see what complaining will really do for you besides maybe raise your blood pressure. Ubi is NOT your friend. Ubi is a corporation out to make money dont be delusional about it. If Ubisoft decides this is the best way for them to protect their bottom line, they have had hundreds of meetings about it before any announcment was ever made... thats the choice they have made, if you chose not to buy the game, all good and well, i have yet to make up my mind as there are no accurate and available reviews of the game... however, stinking up the place is not going to help either way thats the whole point im trying to make __________________

01-27-10, 11:10 AM	#14
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Announcement.. heh... more like the cat slipped out of the bag __________________ Follow the progress of Mr. Mulligan : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147648

01-27-10, 11:14 AM	#15
ParaB Chief Join Date: May 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 327 Downloads: 16 Uploads: 0	You seem to ignore the fact that massive consumer protest in the past HAS actually led major publishers to re-think their DRM policies. You are, of course, free to go into surrender mode () but you might also consider that protest (as in protesting with your wallet) CAN actually change the way you, as a customer, are treated.

01-27-10, 10:13 AM	#3
karamazovnew The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 1,403 Downloads: 151 Uploads: 0	You're wrong GR. On nr. 3, if you loose net connection the game freezes and waits. If you quit, you can only load the last save, wherever it may have been. We don't know yet if we can then save offline and upload the save to the server. But the big deal for me is that right now I spend 3-4 days a week away from home. I travel a lot on trains that have electrical sockets, but no net. I can play SH3 just fine on my laptop but I won't be able to play SH5. Sure I could play it at home if I weren't too busy "giving flowers" to my girlfriend. Oh well, SH3 it is then...

01-27-10, 10:30 AM	#5
zulus Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	GR I wish you luck but I'm affraid you won't change the tide much. Ppl actually don't want to be attached to internet when they play career and furthermore they don;t want to be dependent from internet connectivity since this might and will interfere with natural gameplay. I deffinetly don't want the game to be paused if I suddenly loose ic. This makes no sence at all.