How could this happen?

[Skybird]

According to this German wikipedia entry

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaution...land_und_Wales)

you have a bail system in England and Wales, and it means you have to pay money. It's just that according to the Bill of Rights of 1689 it is prohibited to fix the bail at too high levels that in practice often were used to prevent releases due to the bail being too high as if it could be payed.

[Letum]

Originally Posted by Skybird

you have a bail system in England and Wales, and it means you have to pay money. It's just that according to the Bill of Rights of 1689 it is prohibited to fix the bail at too high levels...

Forget the bill of rights 1689! Look at the Bail act 1976.

You may be asked to find someone to stand surety. This means that
someone else promises to pay the court if you don't turn up. this is
someone else paying and the only pay if you don't turn up; not
before.

Occasionally, when no one can be found to stand surety, the
defendant will be asked to sign his own surety as a security, which is
often frozen in the defendant's bank account or is a house.
In some cases the court does not require surety or security for bail.

Does anyone still like, believe that the US wars in Iraq & Afghanistan are anything but a huge cluster**** that just keeps getting worse and worse? I mean, these wars are not that far from becoming a kind of generational war that just goes on and on with no sight of it actually ending. Maybe that was the original purpose, to start a 'perpetual war' in the Middle East.

Edit. And no, I don't care if it's Obama or that spawn of satan Bush at the helm.

[Skybird]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bail#In_England_and_Wales

And no matter what the British laws and courts say, a bail that must not be handed over in advance or must not be proven by surety/security, is not a bail (=Kaution). In fact it renders the term "on bail" completely meaningless. A bail means a security that needs to be handed over in advance - that is inevitably part of the definition. It's the very meaning of the term, else it is a release woithout bail. A bail (or a legally valid surety that gets checked and assured by the authority) that is not to be handed out in advance, is not a bail. Like a penalty that is suspended is not a penalty, for the penalty does not take place: "only if in the future..." the subject with a suspended penlty is not punished, but under supervision, and that is something totally different from penalty, and it should not be called a suspended penalty - like a bail that must not brought in in advance is not a bail, but no bail at all.

As long as the dictionary does not translate bollocks here. German "Freilassung auf Kaution" in juristic context is translated as "released on bail", while German "Mietkaution" is translated as "x months' rent in advance/as a deposite." the German juristic concept (and meaning of the word "Kaution" in general) of bail equals that of "giving a security in advance/as a deposite".

the more i think of it the more I think that "Freilassung auf Kaution" und "release on bail" do not mean the same thing.

[Letum]

Originally Posted by Skybird

And no matter what the British laws and courts say, a bail that must not be handed over in advance

You accuse the British courts of using the wrong word in a language that isn't your first tongue? Has your arrogance no bounds?

That aside, what does the word matter? Roses by any other name smell
the same because language is the slave of meaning, not meaning the
slave of language. Meaning always precedes language.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Letum

You accuse the British courts of using the wrong word in a language that isn't your first tongue? Has your arrogance no bounds?

That aside, what does the word matter? Roses by any other name smell
the same because language is the slave of meaning, not meaning the
slave of language. Meaning always precedes language.

Check your own dictionary before pointing fingers, laserbrain.

to be (out) on bail gegen Kaution freigelassen sein; to let sb out on bail jdn gegen Kaution freilassen
© Langenscheidt KG, Berlin und München und HarperCollins Publishers Ltd

http://de.pons.eu/dict/search/result...ail&in=&l=deen

A Kaution that is not given in advance is no Kaution. A bail that is not given in advance is no bail. A security that is not given (or secured) in advance is no security. For SteamWake English is native language - and he also asks you about bails not being payed.

[Letum]

...you seem to have missed my point a little...

[NeonSamurai]

I vote give him his detector, and drop him off in the middle of a minefield.

[Torplexed]

Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

I vote give him his detector, and drop him off in the middle of a minefield.

Kinda reminds me of the sleazy contractors in the US Civil War who made a fortune selling the Union Army broken down horses that weren't fit for the glue factory, and shoddy shoes for the infantry that fell apart in the first rain. The ugly tradition of war profiteering marches on.

[Weiss Pinguin]

Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

I vote give him his detector, and drop him off in the middle of a minefield.

We'll have to remember to include the proper chip, of course

And no matter what the British laws and courts say,

Errrrr...its English laws and English courts. And funnily enough its the English language too

Nobody can say or has an argument to claim that this fella is "unlikely to flee",

Actually they have, otherwise he wouldn't be granted bail.

and he already has proven that he is a threat to the public.

No he hasn't, if he was a threat to the public then he wouldn't be able to get bail.