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Skybird 01-23-10 08:19 PM

How could this happen?
 
How could it have happened that a dowsing rod worth some pennies gets sold to the military as an explosive detection device worth several tens of thousands per item...? how could it happen that nopbody realised how hilarious the explanation was that it was operated by static electricity, and how could it be that nobody cheked and found out that the primitive electric circuit has neither a memory that could hold software, nor has a processor that could analyse data?

This is one of the most hilarious stories I have heared since quite some time.

Hilarious it may be, but considering that thousands of these magical wands have been sold to Iraq, amongst other countries, and that statistically one must assume that numerous bombing attacks have been conducted becasue the preparation of the attack was not countered due to these rods being used and failed to detect explosives, one has to assume that dozens if not hundreds of people got killed due to this fraud.

Which makes it not a fraud, but assisting in mass murder. And that's what this bastard should be sued for. All authorities in the dfeense minsitry and military having participated in this deal, it's preparation and testing of the device, should be fired for incompetence. Whether they have to pay compensation, courts should examine.

This is dilletantism that stinks to heaven. And many heads should roll, as an example for others. Else next time there is a war troops get sent that are armed with marshmallow grenades and waterpistols.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programme...ht/8471187.stm

Torplexed 01-23-10 08:38 PM

They should have at least gone with the eco-friendly wooden divining rods. When you realize they are worthless for detecting anything, they can still make handy kindling for a fire. :D

http://www.electronicsweekly.com/blo...%20rod%201.jpg

Platapus 01-23-10 08:55 PM

Ahh the joys of a "no-bid" contract.

This item could have its uses but hardly worth the $8K :nope:

Snestorm 01-23-10 09:15 PM

Confiscate ALL revenues of the company, and jail the owner(s).

If it's a publicly traded company, jail the CEO, and confiscate ALL revenues.

After trial, and pending a guilty verdict, of course.

Next, bring all of those responsable for pissing away tax dollars, in purchasing these things, to trial for misappropriation of public funds.

Letum 01-23-10 10:33 PM

Glad to see he has been arrested and his website taken down.
Despicable.

Snestorm 01-23-10 10:41 PM

That IS good news.

Blacklight 01-24-10 12:20 AM

Quote:

This item could have its uses.... :nope:
Like being used as space taker-uppers in landfills like they should be.

Skybird 01-24-10 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Letum (Post 1244547)
Glad to see he has been arrested and his website taken down.
Despicable.

He's free again, on bail.

Acceptable, eventually, only if the bail is of the ammount of all profits he has made by selling these things, plus his private savings, so that he has no reserves to flee. Which would mean the bail must be several dozens of millions.

If I were him, I would use the opportunity he has been given now, take the money that is left, and run.

Letum 01-24-10 06:35 AM

He has bail because he is not convicted, has a known address, is not
likely to flee and is no threat to the public

We don't pay for bail in the UK.

Skybird 01-24-10 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Letum (Post 1244661)
He has bail because he is not convicted, has a known address, is not
likely to flee and is no threat to the public

We don't pay for bail in the UK.

A known adress means nothing if somebody decides to flee. Nobody can say or has an argument to claim that this fella is "unlikely to flee", and he already has proven that he is a threat to the public.

German papers reported yesterday that he was arrested, later freed on bail.

Letum 01-24-10 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 1244672)
Nobody can say or has an argument to claim that this fella is "unlikely to flee"

I don't imagine it is all that difficult to get some accurate profiling for that.

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and he already has proven that he is a threat to the public.
Not when he is not trading. I imagine that a condition of his bail is the
cessation of business.

Quote:

German papers reported yesterday that he was arrested, later freed on bail.
No doubt this is the case, but all bail is free in the UK.

Skybird 01-24-10 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Letum (Post 1244673)
I don't imagine it is all that difficult to get some accurate profiling for that.

When you have a guy who has millions on his bank account or in his tresor and is expecting to get charged over massive fraud and who also has to take into account that he will be held respoinsible for the death of dozens if not hundreds of people, you do not need to profile him, for you have a first class motive for fleeing that is beyond any doubt.

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Not when he is not trading. I imagine that a condition of his bail is the
cessation of business.
He has committed fraud before, and now all of a sudden he will play by the rules in the future. What a relief to know.

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No doubt this is the case, but all bail is free in the UK.
??? If the bail is not to be payed, then it is no bail (Kaution). That is the meaning of the term, isn't it. "Released on bail" - getting freed but having to put a certain ammount of money as a bail.

Skybird 01-24-10 08:57 AM

According to this German wikipedia entry

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaution...land_und_Wales)

you have a bail system in England and Wales, and it means you have to pay money. It's just that according to the Bill of Rights of 1689 it is prohibited to fix the bail at too high levels that in practice often were used to prevent releases due to the bail being too high as if it could be payed.

SteamWake 01-24-10 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letum (Post 1244661)
He has bail because he is not convicted, has a known address, is not
likely to flee and is no threat to the public

We don't pay for bail in the UK.

you dont pay for bail? :o

Letum 01-24-10 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 1244708)
you have a bail system in England and Wales, and it means you have to pay money. It's just that according to the Bill of Rights of 1689 it is prohibited to fix the bail at too high levels...

Forget the bill of rights 1689! Look at the Bail act 1976.

You may be asked to find someone to stand surety. This means that
someone else promises to pay the court if you don't turn up. this is
someone else paying and the only pay if you don't turn up; not
before.

Occasionally, when no one can be found to stand surety, the
defendant will be asked to sign his own surety as a security, which is
often frozen in the defendant's bank account or is a house.
In some cases the court does not require surety or security for bail.


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