How much do you value difficulty? - Page 2

finchOU · 12-24-09, 10:43 AM

When i was growning up I would be a 3 (normal) type of simer. Now with some experience I am a 4. Its the only way to keep the immersion there to keep me coming back. I think its a must to have all levels as its like discovering a new game once you up the difficulty. No one likes a game you cant win.....but no one plays a game you can win everytime.

12-24-09, 10:44 AM

well im a "game" player and a "sim" player

it depends how im feeling at the time and how much time i have to play so i do straight "game" play then i can do true "sim" play too so i do both

i see no real purpose for intermediate level, if im not good enough for true sim then i just die

i cant do "real deal" because i love my exterior cam too much to not use it

Subnuts · 12-24-09, 10:56 AM

It takes me three hours to cross the Atlantic in this game, and I have to keep surfacing every 30 seconds to recharge my batteries.

Why is there an option for "Dud Torpedoes?" What kind of retard would purposely sabotage themselves? SH5 takes place in the middle of a war, why haven't I seen any massive naval battles yet? All I see are merchant ships going back and forth and a couple of destroyers that aren't worth wasting a torpedo on. And the "limited fuel" option? I turn THAT on, and my boat barely makes it halfway across the Atlantic at flank speed before running out fuel! And the damage model? One depth charge explodes five feet from me, and I'm dead instantly. Didn't the devs ever watch U-571? The U-boat in that movie takes dozens of close depth charges, and the worst damage is to Matthew Mcconaugh...McCouna...McConahe...McConald's composure.

This game sucks.

12-24-09, 11:20 AM

I still maintain that 'realistic gaming' is oxymoronic and that any simulation value comes not from the programmers but entirely from the player.

What is usually taken for realism is really theatre, evidence for this is the vast numbers of members around here who use "Das Boot" (film or book) as the yardstick for "realism".

How anybody uses any of the SH franchise is entirely up to themselves, there are certainly no right or wrong ways as long as one enjoys themselves.

However, if one seeks to use any game as a simulation or even a learning tool to gain some small insights into what actually happened out there on the Atlantic "not so long ago...", I would submit that they need to impose historically reasonable restrictions on what they do in the game. Kudos to those who do so but also to those who admit just wanting the sound and light spectacular.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all.

karamazovnew · 12-24-09, 11:22 AM

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Didn't the devs ever watch U-571?

Well, that's easy to explain. U-571 appeared after the game. So the only thing the devs could rely on was that weird german movie "The Boot". I never seen it cause it's in german. Why would anyone release a movie that's not in english? Stupid europeans.

Takeda Shingen · 12-24-09, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by karamazovnew

"The Boot".

Wait, 'The Boot' is about submarines?!? I always assumed that it was a documentary about the Doc Martens factory.

karamazovnew · 12-24-09, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Wait, 'The Boot' is about submarines?!? I always assumed that it was a documentary about the Doc Martens factory.

I thought that at first too. But apparently it's about 2 guys and a nazi. Here's the trailer . Looks nice, and they finnaly made the english version

Takeda Shingen · 12-24-09, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by karamazovnew

I thought that at first too. But apparently it's about 2 guys and a nazi. Here's the trailer . Looks nice, and they finnaly made the english version

I love it. Having the bad guy in his uniform and arm band means that I won't have to think at all. Uniform=Evil.

Sailor Steve · 12-24-09, 12:51 PM

@ Subnuts:

As for Das Boot, need I remind everyone of THIS?

Or these?

Remember the old curse: "Be careful what you ask for - you just might get it!"

Sorry, just wanted add to the silliness.

[edit]

@ Randomizer: I've played tabletop games for many years, and there was always a debate over 'Realism vs Gameplay', which contended that the more detail the slower the game. I agreed somewhat, but my own slant is that it's not 'Realism', it's 'Feel' - that old immersion thing. It's really not about what's real, obviously, but about what feels real.

Basically I agree with your ideas on the subject, at least as I understand them.

Jimbuna · 12-24-09, 03:46 PM

I prefer 'real deal' but TBH I have altered some files to allow the exterior view for screenshot purposes

V.C. Sniper · 12-24-09, 04:42 PM

i dun beliueve in anything < 100%

miner1436 · 12-24-09, 04:57 PM

Everything checked BUT exterior view, love to take screen shots.

JScones · 12-24-09, 11:27 PM

Real Deal here...

First thing to go will be the "healthmeter".

W_clear · 12-24-09, 11:36 PM

Must 4.And don't save.

Brag · 12-25-09, 10:56 AM

I voted Real Deal. though I don't normally use manual targetting. I like taking screenies, so I keep external view on. I must confess that a few times I have used external view for more than screenies. I also use moderate time compression.

At the moment, I am without an adequate rig to play sims. I plan sizeable investment soon to accomodate SH-5. It will be a terrible blow should SH-5 come out a bummer.

View Poll Results: How do you currently play SH3&4?
Minimum Difficulty	9	5.33%
Moderate Difficulty	8	4.73%
Normal Difficulty	54	31.95%
Real Deal	98	57.99%
Voters: 169. You may not vote on this poll

12-24-09, 10:56 AM	#18
Subnuts The Old Man Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Connecticut Posts: 1,658 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	It takes me three hours to cross the Atlantic in this game, and I have to keep surfacing every 30 seconds to recharge my batteries. Why is there an option for "Dud Torpedoes?" What kind of retard would purposely sabotage themselves? SH5 takes place in the middle of a war, why haven't I seen any massive naval battles yet? All I see are merchant ships going back and forth and a couple of destroyers that aren't worth wasting a torpedo on. And the "limited fuel" option? I turn THAT on, and my boat barely makes it halfway across the Atlantic at flank speed before running out fuel! And the damage model? One depth charge explodes five feet from me, and I'm dead instantly. Didn't the devs ever watch U-571? The U-boat in that movie takes dozens of close depth charges, and the worst damage is to Matthew Mcconaugh...McCouna...McConahe...McConald's composure. This game sucks. __________________ My Amazon.com reviews

12-24-09, 12:51 PM	#24
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	@ Subnuts: As for Das Boot, need I remind everyone of THIS? Or these? Remember the old curse: "Be careful what you ask for - you just might get it!" Sorry, just wanted add to the silliness. [edit] @ Randomizer: I've played tabletop games for many years, and there was always a debate over 'Realism vs Gameplay', which contended that the more detail the slower the game. I agreed somewhat, but my own slant is that it's not 'Realism', it's 'Feel' - that old immersion thing. It's really not about what's real, obviously, but about what feels real. Basically I agree with your ideas on the subject, at least as I understand them. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

12-24-09, 03:46 PM	#25
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,914 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	I prefer 'real deal' but TBH I have altered some files to allow the exterior view for screenshot purposes __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

12-24-09, 04:42 PM	#26
V.C. Sniper Watch Officer Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 339 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	i dun beliueve in anything < 100% __________________ I only need one torpedo.

12-24-09, 10:43 AM	#16
finchOU Samurai Navy Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 571 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 0	When i was growning up I would be a 3 (normal) type of simer. Now with some experience I am a 4. Its the only way to keep the immersion there to keep me coming back. I think its a must to have all levels as its like discovering a new game once you up the difficulty. No one likes a game you cant win.....but no one plays a game you can win everytime.

12-24-09, 10:44 AM	#17
Webster Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	well im a "game" player and a "sim" player it depends how im feeling at the time and how much time i have to play so i do straight "game" play then i can do true "sim" play too so i do both i see no real purpose for intermediate level, if im not good enough for true sim then i just die i cant do "real deal" because i love my exterior cam too much to not use it

12-24-09, 11:20 AM	#19
Randomizer Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I still maintain that 'realistic gaming' is oxymoronic and that any simulation value comes not from the programmers but entirely from the player. What is usually taken for realism is really theatre, evidence for this is the vast numbers of members around here who use "Das Boot" (film or book) as the yardstick for "realism". How anybody uses any of the SH franchise is entirely up to themselves, there are certainly no right or wrong ways as long as one enjoys themselves. However, if one seeks to use any game as a simulation or even a learning tool to gain some small insights into what actually happened out there on the Atlantic "not so long ago...", I would submit that they need to impose historically reasonable restrictions on what they do in the game. Kudos to those who do so but also to those who admit just wanting the sound and light spectacular. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all.

12-24-09, 04:57 PM	#27
miner1436 Grey Wolf Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 808 Downloads: 108 Uploads: 3	Everything checked BUT exterior view, love to take screen shots.

12-24-09, 11:27 PM	#28
JScones Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5,501 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Real Deal here... First thing to go will be the "healthmeter".

12-24-09, 11:36 PM	#29
W_clear Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,142 Downloads: 111 Uploads: 0	Must 4.And don't save.

12-25-09, 10:56 AM	#30
Brag Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Docked on a Russian pond Posts: 7,072 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	I voted Real Deal. though I don't normally use manual targetting. I like taking screenies, so I keep external view on. I must confess that a few times I have used external view for more than screenies. I also use moderate time compression. At the moment, I am without an adequate rig to play sims. I plan sizeable investment soon to accomodate SH-5. It will be a terrible blow should SH-5 come out a bummer. __________________ Espionage, adventure, suspense, are just a click away Click here to look inside Brag's book: Amazon.com: Kingmaker: Alexey Braguine: Books Order Kingmaker here: http://www.subsim.com/store.html For Tactics visit:http://www.freewebs.com/kielman/