aircraft propellers

Starforce2 · 10-22-09, 08:49 PM

The animation on the aircraft propellers are controled how? Is it scripted..or in the model (meaning can the rpm be set to zero like a propller or a ship can at a stop?)

I only ask because I was thinking of creating landed versions of the H8k, pete, and PBY (not sure if it's in the stock but if it is) just to have them in harbors and such. I would think one could acomplish this by seeing how the landed H6k is done? It'd look silly to have propellers always spinning though, but I suppose one could overlook such things..

Ducimus · 10-22-09, 08:59 PM

There is a stock, landed HK6 i think. Just reverse engineer that one with S3D and you should be on your way.

edit:

If the landed HK6 has static props, and its a seperate model from the rest of it, you could always extract that, and import it into a cloned whatever aircraft, while removing the existing props on your clone.

Starforce2 · 10-22-09, 09:06 PM

I don't think I have the ability to import the models, if i did, probably not the expertize to give the thing "stopped" propellers.

Ducimus · 10-22-09, 09:13 PM

The funny thing is, neither do i!

I love S3D, THAT much. So long as the model is detatchable, you can always take the dat it resides in, remove it from its parent/child relationship so its by itself, strip that file clean of ALL other data, import that dat into a new one, establish a new parent/child relathionship, and then position the model where ever you want it to go.

Texture wise, you might run into a problem. One ad hoc solution is to take the textures associated with the orginal object, resize them so their really small to take up less of a footprint/resources, and bring them along for the ride in their own dat file as well.

peabody · 10-22-09, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Starforce2

The animation on the aircraft propellers are controled how? Is it scripted..or in the model (meaning can the rpm be set to zero like a propller or a ship can at a stop?)

I only ask because I was thinking of creating landed versions of the H8k, pete, and PBY (not sure if it's in the stock but if it is) just to have them in harbors and such. I would think one could acomplish this by seeing how the landed H6k is done? It'd look silly to have propellers always spinning though, but I suppose one could overlook such things..

There are 8 planes in the game as 3D models in library/ship parts which are the ones you see on carriers and ships that carry float planes. The landed H6K is actually a "ship" as far as the game is concerned. That is why it can be on the water.

I would think to stop the propellers, you could just delete the animations. But if you set it down it should explode.

Peabody

Starforce2 · 10-22-09, 09:34 PM

but does that mean there is a difference in the model? Or is it the script that makes it a ship. I am sure the pete on the ship has a stopped propeller (though I guess if you wanted the pete to be on a taxi run, then despawna nd respawn as an airplane for a mission you'd need a spinner or it'd look rather dumb..lol)

Ducimus · 10-22-09, 09:43 PM

Have you looked at the model's themselves in S3D? Look at the landed HK6, and then look at a normal HK6. You should see any difference in models where the propeller is concerned right away. Offhand, i don't think the propellers acutally move. If memory serves correctly, their just round disks with textures to give the appearance of movement, nothing more. However, that's just a casual, off the cuff observation, i never really looked into the props themselves.

Kpt. Lehmann · 10-22-09, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

Have you looked at the model's themselves in S3D? Look at the landed HK6, and then look at a normal HK6. You should see any difference in models where the propeller is concerned right away. Offhand, i don't think the propellers acutally move. If memory serves correctly, their just round disks with textures to give the appearance of movement, nothing more. However, that's just a casual, off the cuff observation, i never really looked into the props themselves.

FWIW, you are mostly right. They are rotating disks with a built-in/artist's blur. For the aircraft that can be scripted in-campaign... there is no 3D model of propellors with individual blades attached to spinners. (It's just a convincing pseudo-propellor that you see.)

I think the only exceptions to this is maybe the static aircraft parked on the decks of various carriers in SH3/SH4.. and static 3D models of catapult-launched aircraft on various other ships.

peabody · 10-22-09, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Starforce2

but does that mean there is a difference in the model? Or is it the script that makes it a ship. I am sure the pete on the ship has a stopped propeller (though I guess if you wanted the pete to be on a taxi run, then despawna nd respawn as an airplane for a mission you'd need a spinner or it'd look rather dumb..lol)

There is an H6K in the Air folder and one in the Sea folder, compare them, one is an airplane, one is a ship. One flies, one floats. The floater can't fly and the flyer can't float. In other words a plane can't take off or land.

And they are right, I just looked you can't stop the propeller by stopping the animation, I was incorrect, it is NOT separate blades like the Static planes.

Peabody

Starforce2 · 10-22-09, 10:45 PM

that sucks..I've seen the props move on the landed H6 in response to waves..so I was hoping it worked like a ship propeller. Althought, I am curious, could the same machanism that controls a ship propeller animation ever be be put on a plane? Even if the speed must be constant..

skwasjer · 10-25-09, 08:03 PM

You can simply clone any existing air unit. Then, remove the animation controllers, and remove the controllers that make it an AI-plane (in .sim, something like unit_Airplane, don't remember exactly). Basically, all you need to end up with is the .DAT file, all the other files can be dropped as these are for AI-stuff, sounds etc. You can even strip of nodes for weapon payload etc. Lastly, you'll need to use a new propeller texture which is not blurred out, but there may already be one in game.

It is however advisable to reduce the number of polygons of the 3D-models for this purpose, but hey...

Starforce2 · 10-25-09, 08:38 PM

Has anyone ever had the oppertunity to suface near a landed H6k to see if it shoots back? They apparently have a max speed of 10 knotts (that I'd like to see..I think I'll do that when I make a mission just for kicks)

landed planes are unmanned and dont shoot back or move on thier own, hmmm

come to think of it i never tried to have one take off but i doubt it could do that either

subs you place in missions also dont move or shoot back

OrangeYoshi · 10-25-09, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Starforce2

Has anyone ever had the oppertunity to suface near a landed H6k to see if it shoots back?

It doesn't. It just sits there. It can be fun to destroy it with the deck gun though.

JU_88 · 10-26-09, 07:16 AM

This thread just reminded me that my first ever career kill in SH4 was a (flying) HK8 that I nailed with my crappy S-1s - not so crappy deck gun
I was well chuffed though

Sorry for going OT.

Starforce2 · 10-26-09, 09:47 AM

So you can indeed peg a plane with the deck gun rather than the AA? I've tried slow betty torpedo versions and H6 and H8 but figured either I just missed or certain ammo types are coded to only affect certain types of craft.

BTW, I noticed none of the equipment files seem to have guns (refering to the planes) like the ships do. *thinks realisticly armed B17* sooner or later someone will overcome the planes not shooting each other bit.

10-22-09, 08:49 PM	#1
Starforce2 Planesman Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: minnesota Posts: 189 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	aircraft propellers The animation on the aircraft propellers are controled how? Is it scripted..or in the model (meaning can the rpm be set to zero like a propller or a ship can at a stop?) I only ask because I was thinking of creating landed versions of the H8k, pete, and PBY (not sure if it's in the stock but if it is) just to have them in harbors and such. I would think one could acomplish this by seeing how the landed H6k is done? It'd look silly to have propellers always spinning though, but I suppose one could overlook such things.. __________________ http://silenthunter.filefront.com/We accept all types of Silent hunter mods, utility and tutorial items too.

10-22-09, 09:06 PM	#3
Starforce2 Planesman Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: minnesota Posts: 189 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	I don't think I have the ability to import the models, if i did, probably not the expertize to give the thing "stopped" propellers. __________________ http://silenthunter.filefront.com/We accept all types of Silent hunter mods, utility and tutorial items too.

10-22-09, 09:34 PM	#6
Starforce2 Planesman Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: minnesota Posts: 189 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	but does that mean there is a difference in the model? Or is it the script that makes it a ship. I am sure the pete on the ship has a stopped propeller (though I guess if you wanted the pete to be on a taxi run, then despawna nd respawn as an airplane for a mission you'd need a spinner or it'd look rather dumb..lol) __________________ http://silenthunter.filefront.com/We accept all types of Silent hunter mods, utility and tutorial items too.

10-22-09, 10:45 PM	#10
Starforce2 Planesman Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: minnesota Posts: 189 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	that sucks..I've seen the props move on the landed H6 in response to waves..so I was hoping it worked like a ship propeller. Althought, I am curious, could the same machanism that controls a ship propeller animation ever be be put on a plane? Even if the speed must be constant.. __________________ http://silenthunter.filefront.com/We accept all types of Silent hunter mods, utility and tutorial items too.

10-25-09, 08:03 PM	#11
skwasjer The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,549 Downloads: 28 Uploads: 3	You can simply clone any existing air unit. Then, remove the animation controllers, and remove the controllers that make it an AI-plane (in .sim, something like unit_Airplane, don't remember exactly). Basically, all you need to end up with is the .DAT file, all the other files can be dropped as these are for AI-stuff, sounds etc. You can even strip of nodes for weapon payload etc. Lastly, you'll need to use a new propeller texture which is not blurred out, but there may already be one in game. It is however advisable to reduce the number of polygons of the 3D-models for this purpose, but hey... __________________ S3D - Silent 3ditor (v0.9.9) - S3D homepage - Open sourced S3D file parser API's - SUBSIM thread SH5 mods: Speech Recognition for SH5 \| Digital UI Clock Tutorials: [TEC] Import/export 3D models to/from game using S3D [TEC] How to work with the model viewer in S3D - VIDEO

10-22-09, 08:59 PM	#2
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	There is a stock, landed HK6 i think. Just reverse engineer that one with S3D and you should be on your way. edit: If the landed HK6 has static props, and its a seperate model from the rest of it, you could always extract that, and import it into a cloned whatever aircraft, while removing the existing props on your clone.

10-22-09, 09:13 PM	#4
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	The funny thing is, neither do i! I love S3D, THAT much. So long as the model is detatchable, you can always take the dat it resides in, remove it from its parent/child relationship so its by itself, strip that file clean of ALL other data, import that dat into a new one, establish a new parent/child relathionship, and then position the model where ever you want it to go. Texture wise, you might run into a problem. One ad hoc solution is to take the textures associated with the orginal object, resize them so their really small to take up less of a footprint/resources, and bring them along for the ride in their own dat file as well.

10-22-09, 09:43 PM	#7
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Have you looked at the model's themselves in S3D? Look at the landed HK6, and then look at a normal HK6. You should see any difference in models where the propeller is concerned right away. Offhand, i don't think the propellers acutally move. If memory serves correctly, their just round disks with textures to give the appearance of movement, nothing more. However, that's just a casual, off the cuff observation, i never really looked into the props themselves.

10-25-09, 08:38 PM	#12
Starforce2 Planesman Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: minnesota Posts: 189 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Has anyone ever had the oppertunity to suface near a landed H6k to see if it shoots back? They apparently have a max speed of 10 knotts (that I'd like to see..I think I'll do that when I make a mission just for kicks) landed planes are unmanned and dont shoot back or move on thier own, hmmm come to think of it i never tried to have one take off but i doubt it could do that either subs you place in missions also dont move or shoot back __________________ http://silenthunter.filefront.com/We accept all types of Silent hunter mods, utility and tutorial items too. Last edited by Webster; 10-25-09 at 09:13 PM.

10-26-09, 07:16 AM	#14
JU_88 Silent Hunter Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: UK Posts: 3,813 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	This thread just reminded me that my first ever career kill in SH4 was a (flying) HK8 that I nailed with my crappy S-1s - not so crappy deck gun I was well chuffed though Sorry for going OT.

10-26-09, 09:47 AM	#15
Starforce2 Planesman Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: minnesota Posts: 189 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	So you can indeed peg a plane with the deck gun rather than the AA? I've tried slow betty torpedo versions and H6 and H8 but figured either I just missed or certain ammo types are coded to only affect certain types of craft. BTW, I noticed none of the equipment files seem to have guns (refering to the planes) like the ships do. thinks realisticly armed B17 sooner or later someone will overcome the planes not shooting each other bit. __________________ http://silenthunter.filefront.com/We accept all types of Silent hunter mods, utility and tutorial items too.