SH5 Updates from the SUBSIM meeting next week

[tonschk]

In my opinion the possibility to slow-down or speed-up the Left and Right engines independently probably is the next most important new feature to include in SH5

[elanaiba]

Originally Posted by Sonarman

Elanaiba (Dan the dev on addons) posted over at SimHQ

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Read Dan's whole posting & join the debate on the topic "I don't get the fascination with the Nazis" over at SimHq

Oh bugger, I was spotted!

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by elanaiba

Oh bugger, I was spotted!

Hah, you though you can do anything in the internet without atleast one subsim member following you? Now, give us an update or I'll tell everyone which dirty sites you visited last night!

[pythos]

I would prefer more time spent on making sure that the bugs of SH4 are removed, such as the bridge crew staying on the bridge with the boat under water, and consequently getting killed by depth charges. I liked how in sh3 the crew would move to the appropriate stations in certain conditions automatically. I also hope to not have to deal with a slighly damaged boat going for the dive of death.

The near silence of the hull when the boat is descending or ascending was really a let down. Sh3 modeled this correctly, but for some reason SH4 lacked this, and instead only made those sounds when the boat was taking damage.

I do want wolf packs, but also a working DF system.

To be honest the independent engine/motor control is so low on my list of wants it isn't funny. This could add unnecessary complexity and have priorities switch from other important things. The props are so close to the boat's centerline, I would think there would be very little difference with independent engine control. Other wise the boat would be near impossible to keep in a straight line when charging batteries, due to one prop being disengaged.

As far as the flooding and rising water being rendered, good god!!! I'll just save up for the kray computer, cause that would be a big drag on most anyone's systems

[haegemon]

If they want to apply animations to crew operations, just before diving, crew should go into submarine and lock hatches. The same when surfacing, crew shoul go out.

That would imply some seconds before being able to dive and make the whole operation less automatic.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by pythos

I do want wolf packs, but also a working DF system.

Yeah, righto, the aspect of DF will add a lot to the convoy shadowing and wolfpack gameplay

[FIREWALL]

Just don't dumb down the sim for the sake of users who can barely run SH4.

At 2010 users of these sims and other new games should at least have Duo-core, 2gb of ram and a PCI-e vid card at 512mb. This stuff is cheap now.

And I don't want to hear the crap about... Struggling family man or student. If you can afford internet, you can afford to upgrade. If not.....

GO MOW LAWNS.

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by elanaiba

Oh bugger, I was spotted!

ALLLAAARRRRMMMMM!!!!

[DarkFish]

Originally Posted by FIREWALL

And I don't want to hear the crap about... Struggling family man or student. If you can afford internet, you can afford to upgrade. If not.....

GO MOW LAWNS.

You clearly do not know what you're talking about
You can get broadband internet for €20 a household a month (1st 6 months for €10) while a decent videocard costs like €150. That's equivalent to eleven months of internet if your not sharing it with your housemates. And buying a cheaper card... then I'd have to buy a new one each year because of my card getting old again.
I'm a student myself and I can simply not afford a good video card. And then telling me to go mow lawns... Ever been a student? My gaming time is already limited to breaks and two or three late night hours off. So don't dare telling me to skip those too and work instead.

if the devs decide to go with 512mb cards as a minimum requirement, that's ok, it's their game after all, but DO NOT TELL ME TO GO MOW LAWNS

(don't get me wrong - I have nothing against you in person and respect you as a fellow subsimmer, but I find your above statement extremely inappropriate)

[FIREWALL]

Originally Posted by DarkFish

You clearly do not know what you're talking about
You can get broadband internet for €20 a household a month (1st 6 months for €10) while a decent videocard costs like €150. That's equivalent to eleven months of internet if your not sharing it with your housemates. And buying a cheaper card... then I'd have to buy a new one each year because of my card getting old again.
I'm a student myself and I can simply not afford a good video card. And then telling me to go mow lawns... Ever been a student? My gaming time is already limited to breaks and two or three late night hours off. So don't dare telling me to skip those too and work instead.

if the devs decide to go with 512mb cards as a minimum requirement, that's ok, it's their game after all, but DO NOT TELL ME TO GO MOW LAWNS

(don't get me wrong - I have nothing against you in person and respect you as a fellow subsimmer, but I find your above statement extremely inappropriate)

Nobody told YOU to go mow a lawn.

But I get tired of hearig... " Make it run to my SH3 specs"

And my above statements are their answers. I don't see the sense in buying a game that their rig won't play.

You should read the SH5 posts more closely. There's more than a few that post they have to play SH4 at low settings and don't want to upgrade.

So I stand by my post as appropriate.

[martes86]

Ok, while I don't think the statement was polite enough, he had a valid point. I've also been a student until last year. And even then, I got myself a decent GC. How? I became a Programming Basics teacher during the summer vacations, so I got the money to buy myself a x1950 512MB. Of course, I've been a workless student for a while, so I had to rely on presents to get new PCs. If there was an uber-game I loved, I'd just wait to get my chance, but I knew there was no way I'd ever be able to play without the upgrade, so I accepted the fact that devs were never going to make the effort (useless effort anyways) so that I could play with my elder PC configuration while everyone else had already surpassed the standard, and I became patient about it. Last year I finished my Technician course, and I was hired by an IT multinational, so I didn't need that much patience. That's how last Xmas I was able to finally play GTA4. Patience and selfsacrifice, that's what you need and not just bothering devs with obsolete requirements while most people have a decent rig already.

And since I know what I'm talking about:

Originally Posted by DarkFish

Ever been a student? My gaming time is already limited to breaks and two or three late night hours off. So don't dare telling me to skip those too and work instead.

I dare tell you to skip gaming time and work harder. I worked hard for 2 years, I didn't even got out much (if ever) during those years. The result, some useful money, and good marks. Gaming is a bad distraction, I tell you from experience.

Cheers

[Reece]

The game should be made to run on todays machines IMO, however, most games also have graphics settings you can change to run on older machines, this means the game will still be quite awesome in years to come, with upgrading you can up the settings!

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Reece

The game should be made to run on todays machines IMO, however, most games also have graphics settings you can change to run on older machines, this means the game will still be quite awesome in years to come, with upgrading you can up the settings!

Fair and balanced....one size will never fit all.

[DarkFish]

Originally Posted by FIREWALL

But I get tired of hearig... " Make it run to my SH3 specs" [...] There's more than a few that post they have to play SH4 at low settings and don't want to upgrade.

Well, you've got some point there. I know I've got a rig that can possibly not run SH5 but I don't go complaining about it. IMO the devs should make the game as good as possible and if that means I can't run it - so be it. It's my problem and I don't go bother other people with it.
still, I think you could've put this statement a little bit more politely.

Originally Posted by martes86

[...] but I knew there was no way I'd ever be able to play without the upgrade, so I accepted the fact that devs were never going to make the effort (useless effort anyways) so that I could play with my elder PC configuration while everyone else had already surpassed the standard, and I became patient about it.[...]

I absolutely agree with you here. The video card memory poll shows 80% of all people have 512mb or more so it'd be a valid and wise decision for the devs to go with that as a minimum requirement

Originally Posted by martes86

I dare tell you to skip gaming time and work harder. I worked hard for 2 years, I didn't even got out much (if ever) during those years. The result, some useful money, and good marks. Gaming is a bad distraction, I tell you from experience.

Well, that's you. But me, I like to go out and have fun too instead of studying/working 24/7. I wouldn't survive if I had a life like yours.

My machine, as is, can't handle SH5.
The poll, however, does show that 512 is a number already achieved by a large majority.
Therefor, 512 is a good target, and my getting a new grafik card is pretty much required.
That's life. No complaints here. Bring on that soup.