SH5 Updates from the SUBSIM meeting next week

[FIREWALL]

Just don't dumb down the sim for the sake of users who can barely run SH4.

At 2010 users of these sims and other new games should at least have Duo-core, 2gb of ram and a PCI-e vid card at 512mb. This stuff is cheap now.

And I don't want to hear the crap about... Struggling family man or student. If you can afford internet, you can afford to upgrade. If not.....

GO MOW LAWNS.

[DarkFish]

Originally Posted by FIREWALL

And I don't want to hear the crap about... Struggling family man or student. If you can afford internet, you can afford to upgrade. If not.....

GO MOW LAWNS.

You clearly do not know what you're talking about
You can get broadband internet for €20 a household a month (1st 6 months for €10) while a decent videocard costs like €150. That's equivalent to eleven months of internet if your not sharing it with your housemates. And buying a cheaper card... then I'd have to buy a new one each year because of my card getting old again.
I'm a student myself and I can simply not afford a good video card. And then telling me to go mow lawns... Ever been a student? My gaming time is already limited to breaks and two or three late night hours off. So don't dare telling me to skip those too and work instead.

if the devs decide to go with 512mb cards as a minimum requirement, that's ok, it's their game after all, but DO NOT TELL ME TO GO MOW LAWNS

(don't get me wrong - I have nothing against you in person and respect you as a fellow subsimmer, but I find your above statement extremely inappropriate)

[FIREWALL]

Originally Posted by DarkFish

You clearly do not know what you're talking about
You can get broadband internet for €20 a household a month (1st 6 months for €10) while a decent videocard costs like €150. That's equivalent to eleven months of internet if your not sharing it with your housemates. And buying a cheaper card... then I'd have to buy a new one each year because of my card getting old again.
I'm a student myself and I can simply not afford a good video card. And then telling me to go mow lawns... Ever been a student? My gaming time is already limited to breaks and two or three late night hours off. So don't dare telling me to skip those too and work instead.

if the devs decide to go with 512mb cards as a minimum requirement, that's ok, it's their game after all, but DO NOT TELL ME TO GO MOW LAWNS

(don't get me wrong - I have nothing against you in person and respect you as a fellow subsimmer, but I find your above statement extremely inappropriate)

Nobody told YOU to go mow a lawn.

But I get tired of hearig... " Make it run to my SH3 specs"

And my above statements are their answers. I don't see the sense in buying a game that their rig won't play.

You should read the SH5 posts more closely. There's more than a few that post they have to play SH4 at low settings and don't want to upgrade.

So I stand by my post as appropriate.

[martes86]

Ok, while I don't think the statement was polite enough, he had a valid point. I've also been a student until last year. And even then, I got myself a decent GC. How? I became a Programming Basics teacher during the summer vacations, so I got the money to buy myself a x1950 512MB. Of course, I've been a workless student for a while, so I had to rely on presents to get new PCs. If there was an uber-game I loved, I'd just wait to get my chance, but I knew there was no way I'd ever be able to play without the upgrade, so I accepted the fact that devs were never going to make the effort (useless effort anyways) so that I could play with my elder PC configuration while everyone else had already surpassed the standard, and I became patient about it. Last year I finished my Technician course, and I was hired by an IT multinational, so I didn't need that much patience. That's how last Xmas I was able to finally play GTA4. Patience and selfsacrifice, that's what you need and not just bothering devs with obsolete requirements while most people have a decent rig already.

And since I know what I'm talking about:

Originally Posted by DarkFish

Ever been a student? My gaming time is already limited to breaks and two or three late night hours off. So don't dare telling me to skip those too and work instead.

I dare tell you to skip gaming time and work harder. I worked hard for 2 years, I didn't even got out much (if ever) during those years. The result, some useful money, and good marks. Gaming is a bad distraction, I tell you from experience.

Cheers

[Reece]

The game should be made to run on todays machines IMO, however, most games also have graphics settings you can change to run on older machines, this means the game will still be quite awesome in years to come, with upgrading you can up the settings!

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Reece

The game should be made to run on todays machines IMO, however, most games also have graphics settings you can change to run on older machines, this means the game will still be quite awesome in years to come, with upgrading you can up the settings!

Fair and balanced....one size will never fit all.

[DarkFish]

Originally Posted by FIREWALL

But I get tired of hearig... " Make it run to my SH3 specs" [...] There's more than a few that post they have to play SH4 at low settings and don't want to upgrade.

Well, you've got some point there. I know I've got a rig that can possibly not run SH5 but I don't go complaining about it. IMO the devs should make the game as good as possible and if that means I can't run it - so be it. It's my problem and I don't go bother other people with it.
still, I think you could've put this statement a little bit more politely.

Originally Posted by martes86

[...] but I knew there was no way I'd ever be able to play without the upgrade, so I accepted the fact that devs were never going to make the effort (useless effort anyways) so that I could play with my elder PC configuration while everyone else had already surpassed the standard, and I became patient about it.[...]

I absolutely agree with you here. The video card memory poll shows 80% of all people have 512mb or more so it'd be a valid and wise decision for the devs to go with that as a minimum requirement

Originally Posted by martes86

I dare tell you to skip gaming time and work harder. I worked hard for 2 years, I didn't even got out much (if ever) during those years. The result, some useful money, and good marks. Gaming is a bad distraction, I tell you from experience.

Well, that's you. But me, I like to go out and have fun too instead of studying/working 24/7. I wouldn't survive if I had a life like yours.

My machine, as is, can't handle SH5.
The poll, however, does show that 512 is a number already achieved by a large majority.
Therefor, 512 is a good target, and my getting a new grafik card is pretty much required.
That's life. No complaints here. Bring on that soup.

[martes86]

Originally Posted by DarkFish

Well, that's you. But me, I like to go out and have fun too instead of studying/working 24/7. I wouldn't survive if I had a life like yours.

Oh, believe me, the effort pays. Now I go to work in the morning, I do my 10 hours out, get back home, and do whatever I want. A little sacrifice has given me a whole world of unlimited fun, and a good payment (fair enough for a relatively unexperienced guy like me) every month. Now I work, and when I get home, I can have as much fun as I want, or buy tons of stuff. I went to the SubSim Meet this year in Copenhaguen precisely because of this (and it was no cheap travel). Because you're not gonna be your whole life studying. Sure, I might after some time need some upgrades, and so I'll have to study again some stuff, to still be in the market, but for now, I'm done.

[rosentorf]

No worries, captains with small PCnises... By the time the game runs smoothly you'll be able to grow a bigger one!

Pimp the sh*t out of SH5!!!

P.S.: When SH4 came out my system couldn't deal with it either. But I did not mind playing it on low settings...most of the time I am looking at the 2D-map anyway. I doubt it will be different in SH5! And since it is not a FPS I didn't mind the low frame rate too when I was peeking through the periscope.
If it will be the same with SH5 so be it! It'll be just the sweeter when I finally get a faster PC to enjoy a great game (as I am sure it will be) with top notch graphics!!!

[Sonarman]

Originally Posted by DarkFish

The video card memory poll shows 80% of all people have 512mb or more so it'd be a valid and wise decision for the devs to go with that as a minimum requirement

I'm not so sure, 20% of your customers is a lot to throw away in a niche product like SH, the last thing we want to do is decrease the audience as that would undoubtably mean no SH6 and beyond. Scalability as always is the key.

[martes86]

Originally Posted by Sonarman

I'm not so sure, 20% of your customers is a lot to throw away in a niche product like SH, the last thing we want to do is decrease the audience as that would undoubtably mean no SH6 and beyond. Scalability as always is the key.

Yeah but that's here. Remember that the devs want to appeal not only to us subsimmers, but to the general public as well. Doing a sim that's stuck in the older technologies because 20% of the subsimmers can't handle new stuff is a big error, in order to appeal to that public, you have to improve what you're doing, or risk being seen as an old product unable to go forward and have some decent today's standard level of graphics, which is usually a big reason for the so called "casual players" to get into the SH saga, while anything else comes after getting hooked by the cool graphics. We can request for as many weird simulation features that "casual players" won't even notice, but you can't skip the graphics.

And still... there's plenty of hardware with power nowadays, why mismanage that power and let other games have it? Can't the Silent Hunters look like Crysys for example? We're not even close to that yet, but with time, we probably will be, as it is inevitable with every new iteration within the SH saga for the graphics engine to grow beyond its previous scope.

Originally Posted by USS Sea Tiger

Did they happen to say what U-boat types would be available, I.E> Type I Type IIA Type XXIII??

also, Did they mention inwhat format the modeling would be so that we can prepare for our updates?

We'll get the basics: II, VII, IX. Anything else, is still undecided, but if a poll was held, I'd say that the XXI has the most points (I wouldn't mind that part to be occupied by a human playable DD though ).

The internal modelling format will be the widespread 3DS. The external stuff we'll see is in the GR2 format, newly made, I guess to appoint for the new changes in the graphics engine.

Cheers

[pythos]

No firewall, your post was inappropriate in the way you said it.

We are currently involved in a world wide recession, and many of us (including your truly) are without a job, through no fault of our own.

That being said I can see your point. I too would like a game that looks stunning, runs smooth as silk, and is a great game to play with few bugs.

Flight sim is very good at allowing lower end machines run their latest simulator. Give the player A LOT of sliders to control the level of detail rendered. As the player get the money, they can upgrade and boost the levels.

Your post however came off as elitist, eg "I can afford to upgrade my machine, to hell with everyone else that can't".

When I first read your post the terms "A^% Ho(*, came to mind, and I am sure you did not mean to draw such a thought.

[karamazovnew]

I've played games with ugly graphics that bog down my pc (a preety good pc I might add) and I've also played games with amazing graphics that were stuck at 60 fps (i have a lcd monitor) . We don't live in the age of Half Life anymore. I've even played a game (can't remember which) that moved just as bad at low graphics as it did at very high settings. Fortunately, SH5 is only made for the PC (I hate console ports ) so I really hope it will be well optimised. To be honest, I was never too impressed with SH4 's frame rate.

[sav112]

Firewall has the basic point although it came over wrong. I have a five year old system that I still play BF2. As nothing game wise was out that interested me I was happy to keep it going. I’d have probably bought a new system this year but bought a new Mini Cooper and as I could use it fine for the web and email I thought next year.

Its great to have games that can scale down to play on the older machines, My 6800GT GFX card is still going strong on an Amd 3400 chip but it never even ran SHIII full pelt. I would not even try it with the new games as why play on a low setting when you miss so much.


I’d prefer SHV to have decent minimum requirements and hate to think the game being held back for gamers with low spec systems. I accept on my current system I cant play X,Y, or Z and glad I cant as I look forward to the new system and trying a few of them out and appreciate the way games have progressed.

Be able to scale it down to a level, but to hold back on making it a more advanced game for the sake of the select few that are unfortunate not to have higher spec system is madness and in truth SHII and IV is there for the older systems.

It has always been the case I accept that high end systems deserve the games that need them to play. It’s not good enough to suggest that low end systems need to be take into account if it means things dropped or tweaked in the game in my view