Are you going to wait or buy it on day 1? - Page 5

skwasjer · 08-31-09, 01:07 PM

lol, touchy...

If you want a true hardcore subsim, but not paying up, then it will never happen. The more you support the game, the better the chance you will eventually. Your choice...

You can say you would pay double but from a marketing point of view, Ubi has clearly no wish to make the price twice as high. The risk will grow, and the revenue likely diminish with even less people paying up. So why not pay up half now, and another half in a year with the next expansion

Same deal... and they have the cashflow to keep going...

Additionally, I can't name ANY software product that does not have a bug (I'm pretty sure NASA's software has bugs too

), yet we all work daily with computers, mobiles, tv, consoles, cars, kitchen appliances, electriticy, etc, and alot of times when something fails, if it's not human error, it's a hardware or software issue... (which actually also is human error

) But we still buy, buy, buy... But NOOOO, we won't buy SH5!

Anyway, don't worry about it, don't lose sleep over it, I won't. I left my 2c here and am surely not out on a vendetta against non-buyers (or delayers if you will). I just encourage the developers, because it's not fun for them to read this kind of stuff... So keep it up guys

PS: Contact, just because I play at noob settings doesn't mean I don't care about bugs. You know I'm a developer, right??? If anybody cares it would be me...

FIREWALL · 08-31-09, 01:25 PM

SH4 was playable from Day 1.

08-31-09, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skwasjer

lol, touchy...

If you want a true hardcore subsim, but not paying up, then it will never happen. The more you support the game, the better the chance you will eventually. Your choice...

You can say you would pay double but from a marketing point of view, Ubi has clearly no wish to make the price twice as high. The risk will grow, and the revenue likely diminish with even less people paying up. So why not pay up half now, and another half in a year with the next expansion

Same deal... and they have the cashflow to keep going...

Additionally, I can't name ANY software product that does not have a bug (I'm pretty sure NASA's software has bugs too

), yet we all work daily with computers, mobiles, tv, consoles, cars, kitchen appliances, electriticy, etc, and alot of times when something fails, if it's not human error, it's a hardware or software issue... (which actually also is human error

) But we still buy, buy, buy... But NOOOO, we won't buy SH5!

Anyway, don't worry about it, don't lose sleep over it, I won't. I left my 2c here and am surely not out on a vendetta against non-buyers (or delayers if you will). I just encourage the developers, because it's not fun for them to read this kind of stuff... So keep it up guys

PS: Contact, just because I play at noob settings doesn't mean I don't care about bugs. You know I'm a developer, right??? If anybody cares it would be me...

When it will be fully finished I will pay the full prize for it. I got patience so I'll keep monitoring the development and later patches. It's all about choices and I think I explained very well how things work in my house. End of discussion.

Task Force · 08-31-09, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FIREWALL

SH4 was playable from Day 1.

To a degree... lol Better not need to level out.:rotfl:

henriksultan · 08-31-09, 02:38 PM

Getting it on day 1

Arclight · 08-31-09, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Task Force

To a degree... lol Better not need to level out.:rotfl:

I think I saw it best described as "quick return to desktop" feature.

onelifecrisis · 09-01-09, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skwasjer

Additionally, I can't name ANY software product that does not have a bug (I'm pretty sure NASA's software has bugs too

), yet we all work daily with computers, mobiles, tv, consoles, cars, kitchen appliances, electriticy, etc, and alot of times when something fails, if it's not human error, it's a hardware or software issue... (which actually also is human error

) But we still buy, buy, buy... But NOOOO, we won't buy SH5!

I can see the sense in your 'support the game' position, but I think your POV regarding bugs is much too black-and-white. Lets say, for the sake of argument, that all software has some bugs (as you claim); fine, but that doesn't mean all users will run into those bugs, or that they will do so on a regular basis. My use of S3D is a good example: I've not seen any of its bugs, so from my POV it's bug-free! Even if I opened up S3D right now and found a bug, it would be one bug in months and months of use which would mean it still has a more than acceptable level of functionality IMO. Different bits of software have different levels of "buggyness" and different users have different levels of tolerance. It's shades of gray, not black and white.

I buy lots of software which may (for all I know) have bugs, but as long as it works most of the time I'm happy. I couldn't play SH3 at all until 2 years after I bought it (before that it would CTD within 60 seconds of launching, every time) and I'm not making the same mistake with SH5, and I don't think that makes me "cheap"

. I support the game, but to a limit!

John Channing · 09-01-09, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wulfmann

I do thanks you

*snip tiresome rant*

Wulfmann

You're welcome!

JCC

FIREWALL · 09-01-09, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arclight

I think I saw it best described as "quick return to desktop" feature.

I've never had it CTD yet. Since Day 1.

Pacific_Ace · 09-01-09, 06:18 PM

I will be watching and waiting. SH4 made me gun shy when it came to Ubi. I have some programming in my background and I understand that some bugs will slip through. A few bugs dont bother me. What bothers me greatly about SH4 are what I would term 'design errors' There are a number of them but I give my top 3 for example:
#1 The 'deckwatch gets killed unless moved inside' issue. How do you screw this up? Even worse, how do you care so little about your craft that you willingly send a game out like this?
#2 Crappy manual. Sh4 manual was 104 pages (I think it was) of fluffy garbage useful to no one over the age 10 having more than 3 brain cells to rub together. I want real DOCUMENTATION! Publish it online somewhere to save the trees and the money, but there had better be a decent manual associated with SH5.
#3 Truk. No Japanese base at Truk in game. How and why does the biggest Jap base outside of the home islands (dubbed Gibralter of the Pacific) not get represented?

Modability: Falls under the 'damn good idea' category and I will be looking for that in SH5.

skwasjer · 09-01-09, 06:24 PM

No problem OLC, I see what you mean. My reply would be though, how will you know if the new software is buggy (or as buggy as SH3) if you don't try it...

For all we know, they build the best and most stable release ever. And even if people experience bugs and post them, by your argument, how would you know they would affect your pc, or your own tolerance level? Something to ponder about...

Quote:

Originally Posted by onelifecrisis

I can see the sense in your 'support the game' position, but I think your POV regarding bugs is much too black-and-white. Lets say, for the sake of argument, that all software has some bugs (as you claim); fine, but that doesn't mean all users will run into those bugs, or that they will do so on a regular basis. My use of S3D is a good example: I've not seen any of its bugs, so from my POV it's bug-free! Even if I opened up S3D right now and found a bug, it would be one bug in months and months of use which would mean it still has a more than acceptable level of functionality IMO. Different bits of software have different levels of "buggyness" and different users have different levels of tolerance. It's shades of gray, not black and white.

I buy lots of software which may (for all I know) have bugs, but as long as it works most of the time I'm happy. I couldn't play SH3 at all until 2 years after I bought it (before that it would CTD within 60 seconds of launching, every time) and I'm not making the same mistake with SH5, and I don't think that makes me "cheap"

. I support the game, but to a limit!

Elder-Pirate · 09-01-09, 07:35 PM

I'm going to buy SHV on the day after the day before it hits the shelves.

Signed..........Confused.

momo55 · 09-02-09, 08:57 AM

I'm buying on release and support the game and dev's . I wanna see , smell , feel ..taste

the vanilla out of the box .

The fun and joy then , starts here , on this forum , when skilled modders and subsim members come up with ideas and the mods rollercoaster starts rolling.
My English writing and knowledge ain't good enough to join in , but i like the reading and the houres and houres spend here and playing the game , and seeing it getting better with every mod release (small and big) makes my 50€ and buying it on day 1 worthfull for me . Still play and enjoy SH3+GWX and SH4 + OM and RFB and bought them also on day 1.

I'll put the thumbnail on Steven's "Happy" face

at this moment and hope it stays there when SH V will be released .

Sailor Steve · 09-02-09, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elder-Pirate

I'm going to buy SHV on the day after the day before it hits the shelves.

Balz will be proud of you.

aanker · 09-06-09, 11:46 AM

I only voted to wait because the PTO is my interest. I bought SH4 twice on or about day #1; one was and still is in the box, the 2nd was D2D and is the one I play (a lot).

I'll give Neal the money to support SUBSIM while I wait to purchase the pacific theatre SH5 US boat add-on!

Happy Hunting!

Art

View Poll Results: When SH5 comes out, I'm going to....
Wait at least 6 months to a year for the bugs to be worked out/be modded/put in the bargain bin.	54	27.84%
Come hell or high water, I'm buying it on day one.	140	72.16%
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08-31-09, 01:07 PM	#61
skwasjer The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,549 Downloads: 28 Uploads: 3	lol, touchy... If you want a true hardcore subsim, but not paying up, then it will never happen. The more you support the game, the better the chance you will eventually. Your choice... You can say you would pay double but from a marketing point of view, Ubi has clearly no wish to make the price twice as high. The risk will grow, and the revenue likely diminish with even less people paying up. So why not pay up half now, and another half in a year with the next expansion Same deal... and they have the cashflow to keep going... Additionally, I can't name ANY software product that does not have a bug (I'm pretty sure NASA's software has bugs too ), yet we all work daily with computers, mobiles, tv, consoles, cars, kitchen appliances, electriticy, etc, and alot of times when something fails, if it's not human error, it's a hardware or software issue... (which actually also is human error ) But we still buy, buy, buy... But NOOOO, we won't buy SH5! Anyway, don't worry about it, don't lose sleep over it, I won't. I left my 2c here and am surely not out on a vendetta against non-buyers (or delayers if you will). I just encourage the developers, because it's not fun for them to read this kind of stuff... So keep it up guys PS: Contact, just because I play at noob settings doesn't mean I don't care about bugs. You know I'm a developer, right??? If anybody cares it would be me... __________________ S3D - Silent 3ditor (v0.9.9) - S3D homepage - Open sourced S3D file parser API's - SUBSIM thread SH5 mods: Speech Recognition for SH5 \| Digital UI Clock Tutorials: [TEC] Import/export 3D models to/from game using S3D [TEC] How to work with the model viewer in S3D - VIDEO

08-31-09, 01:25 PM	#62
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	SH4 was playable from Day 1. __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

08-31-09, 02:38 PM	#65
henriksultan Sailor man Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 46 Downloads: 34 Uploads: 0	Getting it on day 1 __________________ Running: Not enough

09-01-09, 07:35 PM	#72
Elder-Pirate Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Morris, Illinois USA Posts: 1,090 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	I'm going to buy SHV on the day after the day before it hits the shelves. Signed..........Confused. __________________

09-01-09, 06:18 PM	#70
Pacific_Ace Bosun Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 61 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	I will be watching and waiting. SH4 made me gun shy when it came to Ubi. I have some programming in my background and I understand that some bugs will slip through. A few bugs dont bother me. What bothers me greatly about SH4 are what I would term 'design errors' There are a number of them but I give my top 3 for example: #1 The 'deckwatch gets killed unless moved inside' issue. How do you screw this up? Even worse, how do you care so little about your craft that you willingly send a game out like this? #2 Crappy manual. Sh4 manual was 104 pages (I think it was) of fluffy garbage useful to no one over the age 10 having more than 3 brain cells to rub together. I want real DOCUMENTATION! Publish it online somewhere to save the trees and the money, but there had better be a decent manual associated with SH5. #3 Truk. No Japanese base at Truk in game. How and why does the biggest Jap base outside of the home islands (dubbed Gibralter of the Pacific) not get represented? Modability: Falls under the 'damn good idea' category and I will be looking for that in SH5.

09-02-09, 08:57 AM	#73
momo55 Frogman Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: belgium Posts: 297 Downloads: 125 Uploads: 0	I'm buying on release and support the game and dev's . I wanna see , smell , feel ..taste the vanilla out of the box . The fun and joy then , starts here , on this forum , when skilled modders and subsim members come up with ideas and the mods rollercoaster starts rolling. My English writing and knowledge ain't good enough to join in , but i like the reading and the houres and houres spend here and playing the game , and seeing it getting better with every mod release (small and big) makes my 50€ and buying it on day 1 worthfull for me . Still play and enjoy SH3+GWX and SH4 + OM and RFB and bought them also on day 1. I'll put the thumbnail on Steven's "Happy" face at this moment and hope it stays there when SH V will be released . __________________ Our greatest glory is not in never failing , but in rising up every time we fail .

09-06-09, 11:46 AM	#75
aanker Pacific Thunder Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yellow Sea Posts: 1,896 Downloads: 236 Uploads: 14	I only voted to wait because the PTO is my interest. I bought SH4 twice on or about day #1; one was and still is in the box, the 2nd was D2D and is the one I play (a lot). I'll give Neal the money to support SUBSIM while I wait to purchase the pacific theatre SH5 US boat add-on! Happy Hunting! Art