Simulations a dying breed... No says Paradox Interactive - Page 3

danlisa · 08-27-09, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Task Force

Is it just me or in the long run consoles are more expensive in the long run... with a pc all I have to do is just add a bit every once in a while...

Umm, how do you do the math on that?

The PS3 (for example) is available for £230 ($299), now. This console has a planned 10yr life cycle, so around 7yrs left.

How much does a gaming PC cost again? How often do you upgrade a GFX card? How much does that cost? How much does a monitor cost you? Etc......Damn, to keep up with PC games you need a good GFX card every 2 years and that can be £100 to £200 a pop.

Even buying a new console every 8-10yrs, it's cheaper in the long run.

Arclight · 08-27-09, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Task Force

Is it just me or in the long run consoles are more expensive in the long run... with a pc all I have to do is just add a bit every once in a while...

Nah, you buy a console and stick with it till the end of it's lifecycle. You'll likely upgrade your PC several times in that time, if you want to stay up to date, that is. Doesn't have to be huge upgrades all the time; maybe new memory kit one year, new CPU the next.

It's just that you can do so much more with a PC, so as far as I'm concerned you get more for your money. And of course you typically have better graphics and performance (load times, frame rates if you don't go overboard on IQ).

My current CPU cost as much as a 360 Arcade costs now.

Task Force · 08-27-09, 09:39 AM

lol.. well pcs are more expensive... but you can do a hell of a lot more with one... you can to a report on a PS3, you cant do photoshop and stuff on a console, your cant do alot of things... cause from what I understand consoles are mainly for games....

I myself think consoles are a waste of time... Thats why I gave up on them after the ps2....

antikristuseke · 08-27-09, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by danlisa

Umm, how do you do the math on that?

The PS3 (for example) is available for £230 ($299), now. This console has a planned 10yr life cycle, so around 7yrs left.

How much does a gaming PC cost again? How often do you upgrade a GFX card? How much does that cost? How much does a monitor cost you? Etc......Damn, to keep up with PC games you need a good GFX card every 2 years and that can be £100 to £200 a pop.

Even buying a new console every 8-10yrs, it's cheaper in the long run.

No it is not. When you take into account the cost of games, the pc comes off better in the long run and you can sell your left over hardware to recoup more than 60% of the investment in hardware, if you are on a concistent upgrade cycle. The reason why pc games cost less than console games is the fact that consoles have licencing fees for developers, which they obviously delegate to the consumers.

danlisa · 08-27-09, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Task Force

lol.. well pcs are more expensive... but you can do a hell of a lot more with one... you can't do a report on a PS3, you cant do photoshop and stuff on a console, your cant do alot of things... cause from what I understand consoles are mainly for games....

YES YOU CAN.

The PS3 can do all of those things.

Task Force · 08-27-09, 09:43 AM

and console games have less replay value in my book... I find that alot of console games are just S***.

Task Force · 08-27-09, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by danlisa

YES YOU CAN.

The PS3 can do all of those things.

your talking to someone who knows 2 fact about ps3s and both facts are rong...

Anywho I still think they are a waste of time... and wish they would dissapear....

danlisa · 08-27-09, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by antikristuseke

No it is not. When you take into account the cost of games, the pc comes off better in the long run and you can sell your left over hardware to recoup more than 60% of the investment in hardware, if you are on a concistent upgrade cycle. The reason why pc games cost less than console games is the fact that consoles have licencing fees for developers, which they obviously delegate to the consumers.

The disparity between PC & Console Games is not that much, assuming you pay retail upon release. PC games usually retail at £35.99 while Console games retail at £39.99. No big difference there. Also, both media types allow for resale or trade in, so it matters not.

As for hardware, true. But I would contest that you can recoup 60% of your initial outlay on PC hardware. If you are able to recoup that much you are buying the hardware (say GFX card for example) at release, which will cost you a premium and then selling it again within 6 months to ensure there is still demand for it.

danlisa · 08-27-09, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Task Force

and console games have less replay value in my book... they are more difficult for a community to mod...

Some do, some don't, as with PC games.

As for modding. No console games can be modded. Did you read my post up there re modding and the decline of PC sims?

antikristuseke · 08-27-09, 09:53 AM

Never buy retail, thats just silly, the premiums they charge are ridiculous. Personaly I buy hardware straight from the company producing the damned things or from companies that supply retail outlets here localy. With games, one of the cheapest places to buy em online is game.co.uk iirc.

Task Force · 08-27-09, 09:54 AM

o I did not... I shall revise my post apon hearing this...

danlisa · 08-27-09, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by antikristuseke

With games, one of the cheapest places to buy em online is game.co.uk iirc.

Ack, anything but game.co.uk. They are probably the most expensive games retailer in the UK.

Try CEX, Shopto or Amazon, anything but Game.

antikristuseke · 08-27-09, 09:58 AM

my mind is probably playing tricks on me, am slightly hung over. And by slightly i mean im still hung over after two pints.

pozine · 08-27-09, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Blacklight

You forget. THEY are the norm and WE'RE the abnormal ones. Just look at the number of people who prefer "mindless action games" compared to the numbers who like games you have to "work" to learn. WE'RE the wierdos.

Yep, It's true.
I've nothing more to say for now...

Letum · 08-27-09, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by danlisa

...PC exclusive Simulations are not turning out the figures to sustain the market indefinitely.

Is that speculation or do you have some facts to back it up?

08-27-09, 09:39 AM	#33
Task Force Rear Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SPACE!!!! Posts: 10,142 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	lol.. well pcs are more expensive... but you can do a hell of a lot more with one... you can to a report on a PS3, you cant do photoshop and stuff on a console, your cant do alot of things... cause from what I understand consoles are mainly for games.... I myself think consoles are a waste of time... Thats why I gave up on them after the ps2.... __________________ Task Force industries "Taking control of the world, one mind at a time"

08-27-09, 09:43 AM	#36
Task Force Rear Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SPACE!!!! Posts: 10,142 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	and console games have less replay value in my book... I find that alot of console games are just S**. __________________ Task Force industries "Taking control of the world, one mind at a time"* Last edited by Task Force; 08-27-09 at 09:54 AM.

08-27-09, 09:54 AM	#41
Task Force Rear Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SPACE!!!! Posts: 10,142 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	o I did not... I shall revise my post apon hearing this... __________________ Task Force industries "Taking control of the world, one mind at a time"

08-27-09, 09:53 AM	#40
antikristuseke Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Estland Posts: 4,330 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Never buy retail, thats just silly, the premiums they charge are ridiculous. Personaly I buy hardware straight from the company producing the damned things or from companies that supply retail outlets here localy. With games, one of the cheapest places to buy em online is game.co.uk iirc.

08-27-09, 09:58 AM	#43
antikristuseke Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Estland Posts: 4,330 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	my mind is probably playing tricks on me, am slightly hung over. And by slightly i mean im still hung over after two pints.