Simulations a dying breed... No says Paradox Interactive

Sonarman · 08-26-09, 10:31 AM

Simulations a dying breed... No says Paradox Interactive (publisher of East India Company & Ship Simulator Extremes), they may be right it was recently announced by Ubi the SH series had collectively sold over 1.5 million copies, whilst this doesn't compare to the GTAs of this world these are apparently healthy numbers for niche markets like simulations.

Dowly · 08-26-09, 10:35 AM

I believe it when I see it. The dying thing that is. Few years back, they said PC gaming was dying, point+click adventure games were dying (they might be on life support, but they arent dead yet!

) and yaadiyaa.

Jimbuna · 08-26-09, 10:38 AM

Well it certainly looks like it is still a profitable area otherwise Ubisoft wouldn't be working on SH5 and I know the Ship Simulator is very good because my son has them both.

SteamWake · 08-26-09, 10:42 AM

Well they better do better than the previous ship simulator or they will be dead :rotfl:

The east india trading co. is a title I have been considering however my disposable income is pre-disposed.

I dont think the simulator market is 'dead' but it is at best a niche albeit a large one.

But the signs point to a decline... Microsoft Train simulator (dead), Microsoft Flight simulator (in a coma), Microprose (dead and buried), the list goes on.

I really hope for strong success for UBI and their upcoming title. Maybe it will show the gaming industry that there is still a profitable market in this 'niche'.

August · 08-26-09, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

I believe it when I see it. The dying thing that is. Few years back, they said PC gaming was dying, point+click adventure games were dying (they might be on life support, but they arent dead yet!

) and yaadiyaa.

Yeah baseless rumors propagated by console companies who would love to see the death of a competitor.

Sonarman · 08-26-09, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

But the signs point to a decline... Microsoft Train simulator (dead), Microsoft Flight simulator (in a coma), Microprose (dead and buried), the list goes on.

On Microprose...
I actually think Microprose failed because they moved away from simulation and over reached themselves.

On Microsoft...
Microsoft on the other hand I think actually want to kill off PC gaming all together in favour of the XBOX. They buy out good PC gaming studios and spoil them as highlighted just today here. Then they start the "Games for Windows Live" initiative a buggy and ill-supported pile of poo that has all but killed off the fledgling "Battlestations Pacific".

Skybird · 08-26-09, 10:49 AM

Since ten years now I get told that simulations are dying.

Falcon 4. Steel Beasts Pro. Flight Simulator. Sub Command/Dangeorus Waters. Silent Hunter. Armed Assault. Plius many strategy and tactics simulations.

Rumour says Falcon 5 is under secret developement since longer time. Verified is that there will be Silent Hunter 5, and evident it is that Steel Beasts gets constantly improved.

adding all this together, there is more then I can reasonably play!

Tchocky · 08-26-09, 10:52 AM

What Skybird said.

I'm going through the Janes back catalogue at the minute.
And DID
And Sierra

And finally taking the time to play Allied Force properly.

AVGWarhawk · 08-26-09, 11:01 AM

Simulators will not die. There is always a new gaming engine, new graphics, new way to play. SH5 is just such an example. As long as new ways to play and new ways to visualize, simulation will grown. Hell, we are still waiting on motion seats for our games. I mean real good motion seats. Imagine in rough seas in SH your seat rolling to the water swells! Really, true simulation for the common person like you and me has not reached it peak at all.

Raptor1 · 08-26-09, 11:05 AM

I don't think the simulation market is any smaller than it was back a few years ago, I think this impression that simulators are 'dead' is because the recent influx of the unwashed masses into the gaming world has made mindless shooters and the like more profitable, but there are still quite a lot of people who play simulations and other...err...unpopular game genres (Paradox demonstrates this best).

mookiemookie · 08-26-09, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Simulators will not die. There is always a new gaming engine, new graphics, new way to play. SH5 is just such an example. As long as new ways to play and new ways to visualize, simulation will grown. Hell, we are still waiting on motion seats for our games. I mean real good motion seats. Imagine in rough seas in SH your seat rolling to the water swells! Really, true simulation for the common person like you and me has not reached it peak at all.

AVGWarhawk · 08-26-09, 11:34 AM

Exactly Mookie, the visual experience is there but the physical has not been touched.

08-26-09, 11:35 AM

Simulations are ussually made not for kids. Shooters, arcade, racing games are toys for kids deffinetly. But they won't be kids forever and I think with the age, the taste for games also changes, that is when it's a time for starting to know the simulations.

Sea Demon · 08-26-09, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

I believe it when I see it. The dying thing that is. Few years back, they said PC gaming was dying, point+click adventure games were dying (they might be on life support, but they arent dead yet!

) and yaadiyaa.

PC gaming better never die. I hate consoles and their clumsy controls.

mookiemookie · 08-26-09, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Demon

PC gaming better never die. I hate consoles and their clumsy controls.

Agreed. I'll take a keyboard and mouse over a controller any day.

08-26-09, 10:31 AM	#1
Sonarman The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ayr,Scotland,UK Posts: 1,392 Downloads: 79 Uploads: 0	Simulations a dying breed... No says Paradox Interactive Simulations a dying breed... No says Paradox Interactive (publisher of East India Company & Ship Simulator Extremes), they may be right it was recently announced by Ubi the SH series had collectively sold over 1.5 million copies, whilst this doesn't compare to the GTAs of this world these are apparently healthy numbers for niche markets like simulations. __________________ "The action is simulated...the excitement is real!" Microprose Simulation Software.

08-26-09, 10:35 AM	#2
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,052 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	I believe it when I see it. The dying thing that is. Few years back, they said PC gaming was dying, point+click adventure games were dying (they might be on life support, but they arent dead yet!) and yaadiyaa.

08-26-09, 10:38 AM	#3
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,473 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Well it certainly looks like it is still a profitable area otherwise Ubisoft wouldn't be working on SH5 and I know the Ship Simulator is very good because my son has them both. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

08-26-09, 10:42 AM	#4
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Well they better do better than the previous ship simulator or they will be dead :rotfl: The east india trading co. is a title I have been considering however my disposable income is pre-disposed. I dont think the simulator market is 'dead' but it is at best a niche albeit a large one. But the signs point to a decline... Microsoft Train simulator (dead), Microsoft Flight simulator (in a coma), Microprose (dead and buried), the list goes on. I really hope for strong success for UBI and their upcoming title. Maybe it will show the gaming industry that there is still a profitable market in this 'niche'. __________________ Follow the progress of Mr. Mulligan : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147648

08-26-09, 10:49 AM	#7
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,604 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Since ten years now I get told that simulations are dying. Falcon 4. Steel Beasts Pro. Flight Simulator. Sub Command/Dangeorus Waters. Silent Hunter. Armed Assault. Plius many strategy and tactics simulations. Rumour says Falcon 5 is under secret developement since longer time. Verified is that there will be Silent Hunter 5, and evident it is that Steel Beasts gets constantly improved. adding all this together, there is more then I can reasonably play! __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

08-26-09, 10:52 AM	#8
Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,874 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	What Skybird said. I'm going through the Janes back catalogue at the minute. And DID And Sierra And finally taking the time to play Allied Force properly. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

08-26-09, 11:01 AM	#9
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,253 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Simulators will not die. There is always a new gaming engine, new graphics, new way to play. SH5 is just such an example. As long as new ways to play and new ways to visualize, simulation will grown. Hell, we are still waiting on motion seats for our games. I mean real good motion seats. Imagine in rough seas in SH your seat rolling to the water swells! Really, true simulation for the common person like you and me has not reached it peak at all. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

08-26-09, 11:05 AM	#10
Raptor1 Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Stavka Posts: 8,211 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	I don't think the simulation market is any smaller than it was back a few years ago, I think this impression that simulators are 'dead' is because the recent influx of the unwashed masses into the gaming world has made mindless shooters and the like more profitable, but there are still quite a lot of people who play simulations and other...err...unpopular game genres (Paradox demonstrates this best). __________________ Current Eastern Front status: Probable Victory

08-26-09, 11:34 AM	#12
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,253 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Exactly Mookie, the visual experience is there but the physical has not been touched. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

08-26-09, 11:35 AM	#13
Contact Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Simulations are ussually made not for kids. Shooters, arcade, racing games are toys for kids deffinetly. But they won't be kids forever and I think with the age, the taste for games also changes, that is when it's a time for starting to know the simulations.