Apologists for evil

[Shearwater]

Originally Posted by Skybird

[...] socalled "radical Islamists" (whatever that fictional and artifical word creation should mean, it is new in history) [...]

So it's new, and that means it's inappropriate? Not a sign that some people, not all of course, are able to differentiate?

Originally Posted by Letum

Speak to any given Muslim in England or Germany and chances are he will interpret the Quran and Muhammad and talk of a very different Islam to yours and Pat's.

I second Letum's response. I second it most decidedly.

Dear old McCarthy would be proud of Pat. And I am deeply concerned.
Why?
Because I think that he does a very nasty thing. He redefines one of the most crucial achievements of Western civilization and society as one of its greatest vices. It is the ability of self criticism, which Mr Condell redefines as self hatred.
His is the process of mentally outlawing a whole religion.
I do not know how the society looks like Mr Condell is conceiving of. But I do know that I would not want to live in it.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Shearwater

So it's new, and that means it's inappropriate? Not a sign that some people, not all of course, are able to differentiate?



I second Letum's response. I second it most decidedly.

Dear old McCarthy would be proud of Pat. And I am deeply concerned.
Why?
Because I think that he does a very nasty thing. He redefines one of the most crucial achievements of Western civilization and society as one of its greatest vices. It is the ability of self criticism, which Mr Condell redefines as self hatred.
His is the process of mentally outlawing a whole religion.
I do not know how the society looks like Mr Condell is conceiving of. But I do know that I would not want to live in it.

the problem is not our attitude. The problem is Islam's inhumane, intolerant values, and it'S fundamental hostility towards other ciltures, and women. You can weasel as much as you want and relabel Western self-deception as it's precious "self criticism". You can offend all victims of islam that suffered so miserably from it, and offend all women trying to escape from it, and can excuse the ongoing mass killing of infidels by pointing out that a thiousand years ago the crusades were like uislam still is today - you can do all that, as long as you still have the freedom to form your opinion, even if it is simply ignoring the facts. that is the freedom ou have been given by living in our coutnries, the freedom that you value so low and throw away so carelessly by inviting it's enemies and encouraging them and ennobling them.

This your freedom that you use withio9ut even noticing it - this freedom is what Islam detests most.

What really is to be criticised is not criticism of Islam, but Islam'S values. They are a problem, becasue they are strictly against those values that we have anchored in our own cultures and constitutions, after our forefathers fought to achieve them in centuries of bitter fights and miserable suffering.

And you give it away headlessly - and even be proud of doing so. You should feel ashamed.