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Skybird 07-24-09 07:37 PM

Apologists for evil
 
"...to redefine our values as prejudice..."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4FpT...e=channel_page

In past months Pat let it run more slowly and published with greater gaps between releases, and over the past couple of months his comments also became a bit borrowed and repetitive, as if he had lost some interest. But his latest release from yesterday shows him returning to his best of forms, and with quite some very obvious and sparkling enthusiasm, resulting in one of the very highlights of his collection of almost 60 video speeches now.

I would feel ashamed if I don't remind you of him still being around :D, and this one is one of his best ever - biting and making well-earned ridicule of the receivers of his comments - and after all just saying what is true, and reasonable indeed.

Well done, Pat. Keep them running from the truth in panic and make us laugh about their red-faced lying and cowardish preemptive submission. Mockery and a kick in their back is what they truly deserve - before they have completely ruined us all.

Onkel Neal 07-24-09 08:20 PM

Wow, such energy :o

Shearwater 07-24-09 09:03 PM

"There is no such thing as Islamophobia" - I guess there is no such thing as antisemitism or persecution of Christians either :rolleyes: Thank you Pat. You made me take a stand. It is not your own.

Skybird 07-25-09 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Shearwater (Post 1139786)
"There is no such thing as Islamophobia" - I guess there is no such thing as antisemitism or persecution of Christians either :rolleyes: Thank you Pat. You made me take a stand. It is not your own.

Every criticism of Islam and refusing to tolerate it'S totalitarianism, inhumanity and aggressive drive, today get's brandmarked as "islamophobia" and "abuse of free speech".

It is as if criticising Neonazis would be labelled as an "intolerant attitude towards others" or a "democratic deficit" or "lacking respect for different views". Note: one offence against Islam's self-understanding weighs a thousand times heavier than a hundred offences against western culture and values. Or Naziphobia. Well, I am a proud Naziphobic. and if such is the meaning of being a phobic - essentially having a meaning that is so distorted that terms mean nothing anymore - I am a confessing, proud Islamophobic as well.

Short while ago, an egyptian woman was murdered by a real racist indeed in a German courtroom, he offended her over her skin colour on the street, and she sued him. Result: mass hysteria in many Islamic countries, for days and weeks. Attacks on the German government not bending over to present it's bare bottom for the spanking, and refusing to apologize. Apologise for what? But also short time ago a german man, who just had fled from a german prison, was stabbed to death on a street in istanbul. Reaction in the Muslim world: silence. - Some years ago, several Christian clerics and a nun, both Catholics and orthodox, were stabbed on open street in Turkey, Egypt and Syria, if I remember correctly. Reaction in the Muslim world: silence, here and there some silent lip-confessions, soon to be unheared again. - Or the Danish cartoon hysteria. - The islam-infiltrated UN comission on human rights, trying to enforce that criticism of religion in general and Islam in special becomes a crime and should be persecuted by law. - Ethnic and cultural minorities in Islamic nations constantly being reduced and driven back, in accordance with quranic demands getting constantly discriminated as well . But Islam in the West being supported, expanding, getting fostered like crazy, driving locals away in regions and towns throughout europe, because sometimes residents are so pissed by being expected to live in an enforced Islamised environment.

Sure, it's all islamophobia.

For some, the shortest way to silence unwanted opposing views is to claim they are xyz-phobia or simply racism (and at the same time ignoring the object of that opposing criticism). But that is no argument. That is rethorics exclusively, illustrating that there is a lack of argument.

Skybird 07-25-09 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens (Post 1139777)
Wow, such energy :o

Yeah, that's what got my attention. :)

Safe-Keeper 07-25-09 07:00 AM

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Every criticism of Islam and refusing to tolerate it'S totalitarianism, inhumanity and aggressive drive, today get's brandmarked as "islamophobia" and "abuse of free speech".
I can't believe you forgot 'racist'.

Dimitrius07 07-25-09 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper (Post 1139908)
I can't believe you forgot 'racist'.

Islam is not a race.

Skybird 07-25-09 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dimitrius07 (Post 1139917)
Islam is not a race.

Nevertheless you often get called a racist indeed when criticising Islam.

Dimitrius07 07-25-09 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 1139922)
Nevertheless you often get called a racist indeed when criticising Islam.

Yes i know, but its a fun part, sometimes. :03:

Letum 07-25-09 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 1139892)
Every criticism of Islam and refusing to tolerate it'S totalitarianism, inhumanity and aggressive drive, today get's brandmarked as "islamophobia" and "abuse of free speech".

Criticism of Islam; fine!
Calling Islam "inhumane", "totalitarian" and "aggressive"; that is at the
very least an unfair generalization of the many and varied ways that Islam
is practiced.

Skybird 07-25-09 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letum (Post 1140151)
Calling Islam "inhumane", "totalitarian" and "aggressive"; that is at the
very least an unfair generalization of the many and varied ways that Islam
is practiced.


Quatsch.

CastleBravo 07-25-09 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letum (Post 1140151)
Criticism of Islam; fine!
Calling Islam "inhumane", "totalitarian" and "aggressive"; that is at the
very least an unfair generalization of the many and varied ways that Islam
is practiced.

It would certainly be unfair if so called moderate muslims would stand against those who would subvert and criminalize their religion. But they don't. Why?

Letum 07-25-09 06:22 PM

They generally do.

CastleBravo 07-25-09 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikhayl (Post 1140186)
First, why would they have to at all?

Quick answer..........

Because Muslims feel persecuted. Or so I've heard. If that isn't the case, never mind.

Skybird 07-25-09 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pat Condell
(...)
The truth is - and this is the truth whether you clowns want to hear it or not - that many people in the West feel that we are being invaded - yes, that is the word: invaded - by a religion and a culture whose values we totally reject: not because we are racists, but because the values themselves are degrading and offensive.
(...)
There is no such thing like "Islamophobia", it simply doesn't exist, and most people just realise now what a cynical, manipulative lie that word really is. Suspicion of or dislike for Islam is not a phobia - it is an honest, healthy reaction to the evidence that's being provided.
(...)
These words [racism and islamophobia, Skybird] are being used quite shamelessly to try to engineer an artificial sense of guilt in western society, to redefine our values as prejudices and to silence legitimate opinion and free exchange of ideas that have made us what we are and that have given us our strength - and this is damaging our free society in a fundamental way, and it has got to stop.
(...)
... we need to get the oxygene of freedom flowing through our veins again and through our brains again, and get things back into perspective. We have nothing to apologise for, and we have nothing to feel guilty about, and our way of life, despite it's many faults - of which we all are very well aware, thank you! - is still far, far superior to anything that Islam has to offer, or will ever have to offer, especially if you're female, or Jewish, or homosexual, or just a common garden blasphemer like me. That is the truth, and most people in the Western world realise it's the truth, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with them saying so as loudly and as often as they like. And you lefty liberal multi-cultural appeasement monkeys, you'll not gonna like it, and you'll certainly not wanna speak out for the values that give you the freedom to be the useful idiots that you are...

Defend Islam. Relativise it. Show how clever and sensible and tolerant you are. Be a happy Lemming. Get kicked over the top once you reached there.

The socialists and communists in iran were thinking like you, and thus concluded they could tame islam and ally with Khomenei. Big mistake. The first thing Khomenei did when having secured his power was to hang them up on telephone poles in the streets. You cannot be a clever little Dick and a Muhammedan at the same time. ;) The Quran is against that, and the Quran is not negotiable.

That's what Islam is, Letum. Islam in Quranic understanding, and there is no other Islam than that basing on the Quran. You may stray off from it. But then you are no longer a muhammedan, but a heretic, free to get slaughtered (slaughtering you then, by Quranic demand, is not a freedom but a mandatory duty for true Muhammedans).

Many Muhammedans - probably especially some of those you often have on your mind when defending Islam - are not half as Islamic as they think. From a Quranic point of view, they are condemnded people. That'S why socalled "radical Islamists" (whatever that fictional and artifical word creation should mean, it is new in history) are right from their perspective to blow up such false Muslims, like they blow up infidels as well.


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