In Border States, BATFE Asks: "May We See Your Guns?" - Page 3

UnderseaLcpl · 06-22-09, 03:55 AM

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You guys fail to think in a guerrilla warfare fasion you dont want all your guns at your house you want a weapons cashe in a place they wont find it think about it.You guys fear the goverment someday do this or that you wont last long with all your guns and no fighters with you that is why you need the cashe in a place you dont own.

Just for that I bet someone is gonna be coming to my house now.

Bring it I will get Sun Tzu on their ass.

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Max2147 · 06-22-09, 09:28 AM

So a story about one crazy cop is reason enough to not trust all of law enforcement, even though that same story includes a good cop?

GoldenRivet · 06-22-09, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Max2147

So a story about one crazy cop is reason enough to not trust all of law enforcement, even though that same story includes a good cop?

i have an entire section of my family in the state trooper force.

all of them tell me "don't trust a cop you don't know personally."

fortunately they are all "pro-gun rights" - i just hope there are more like them.

GoldenRivet · 06-22-09, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Stealhead

You guys fail to think in a guerrilla warfare fasion you dont want all your guns at your house you want a weapons cashe in a place they wont find it think about it.You guys fear the goverment someday do this or that you wont last long with all your guns and no fighters with you that is why you need the cashe in a place you dont own.

Just for that I bet someone is gonna be coming to my house now.

Bring it I will get Sun Zu on their ass.

have you any idea how many remote Texas Ranches their are down here?

Tchocky · 06-22-09, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

all of them tell me "don't trust a cop you don't know personally."

Really?

huh.

GoldenRivet · 06-22-09, 10:57 AM

think about it... it is sometimes their job to extract incriminating information from you... ALWAYS exercise your right to remain silent

EDIT: (this is more along the lines if what they and I mean buy not trusting them)

FIREWALL · 06-22-09, 11:36 AM

This is a NO-BRAINER. The ATF is not above the LAW.

At least in the USA so far.

roman2440 · 06-22-09, 01:33 PM

I realize I'm not adding anything new but here's my thoughts:

1) There's nothing wrong with politely asking

2) Anything more, such as threats, demands, and forcable entry are completely wrong.

A warrent is required if the homeowner doesn't acquiesce to a polite request.

However, knowing what its like on the border (I live in Phoenix AZ, and had a good friend that lived very close to the border) things can get very isolated. I wouldn't be surprised if a government agency used that isolation to intimidate or bully a homeowner to get their way. And because of that I'd expect some very high levels of attention in the oversight of ATF that is running this program.

Stealhead · 06-22-09, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

have you any idea how many remote Texas Ranches their are down here?

Yeah but they still know where you are.And if they where the goverment wishing to take your guns and you said no the the goverment will send massive firepower to take them. so you stay at your house and die or you go the guerrilla warfare route I am the only person who see this? They would want you to be isolated hello.Think outside the box man.This is where americans get tricked we want have the my land i will die on it way of thinking. I think I will take you down by moving and fighting not by simply satying on my land and letting myself die you may as well just shot yourself before they get there.A peice of land can be surronded a mobile guerrilla cant be and only attacks when it can win.

And you really should not trust a cop unless you called for thier help yourself. My friend just got very lucky that the good cop did do something but it was not his actions alone that hepled out and if the bad cop has more power than the good cop the cood cops job could easily be in danger sometimes if you have mouths to feed you may have no choice but to do nothing. I think of tons of close encounters with ******* cops or have witnessed what I would call questionable actions buy cops. God forbid you have a run in with of the roid raging ones then you will know what I mean.

Sailor Steve · 06-22-09, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

i have an entire section of my family in the state trooper force.

all of them tell me "don't trust a cop you don't know personally."

fortunately they are all "pro-gun rights" - i just hope there are more like them.

In the middle of a gun-control discussion I once actually heard a cop have fun with an old cliche. His version: "If guns are outlawed, only cops will have guns. Do you feel safer now? I don't."

He also once told me he considered an armed citizen to be his most reliable back-up.

He also espoused the belief that ex-felons who had served their time should not be restricted from owning firearms. Not ones who were on parole, but ones who had completed their sentences. "After all", he said, "they've 'paid their debt to society', haven't they? If that's the case, don't they have the same right to defend what's theirs as anyone else?"

Aramike · 06-22-09, 02:20 PM

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He also espoused the belief that ex-felons who had served their time should not be restricted from owning firearms. Not ones who were on parole, but ones who had completed their sentences. "After all", he said, "they've 'paid their debt to society', haven't they? If that's the case, don't they have the same right to defend what's theirs as anyone else?"

I disagree with this. Part of their debt to society is to forfeit any right to own firearms.

If that mattered to them, they should have thought about it before they became felons.

Sailor Steve · 06-22-09, 02:22 PM

Different people, different ideas. I'm undecided on that point myself.

Stealhead · 06-22-09, 02:59 PM

I think it would be fair that if the felon had used a firearm or any weapon during thier crime they should never be allowed to own again.Though it doesnt really matter because they most likely got the firearm they used illegaly anyway.

Jimbuna · 06-22-09, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealhead

I think it would be fair that if the felon had used a firearm or any weapon during thier crime they should never be allowed to own again.Though it doesnt really matter because they most likely got the firearm they used illegaly anyway.

Quite possibly, but not for certain. I'm sure many crimes involving firearms are of the legally owned variety.

August · 06-22-09, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Aramike

I disagree with this. Part of their debt to society is to forfeit any right to own firearms.

If that mattered to them, they should have thought about it before they became felons.

Like Steve i'm kinda torn on that issue. Normally i'd agree with you but I personally know a couple felons who I believe deserve their RKBA back, along with their right to vote.

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GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	think about it... it is sometimes their job to extract incriminating information from you... ALWAYS exercise your right to remain silent EDIT: (this is more along the lines if what they and I mean buy not trusting them) __________________ Last edited by GoldenRivet; 06-22-09 at 11:14 AM.

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FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	This is a NO-BRAINER. The ATF is not above the LAW. At least in the USA so far. __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

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Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Different people, different ideas. I'm undecided on that point myself. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

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Max2147 Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 714 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	So a story about one crazy cop is reason enough to not trust all of law enforcement, even though that same story includes a good cop?

06-22-09, 01:33 PM	#38
roman2440 Seaman Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 32 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	I realize I'm not adding anything new but here's my thoughts: 1) There's nothing wrong with politely asking 2) Anything more, such as threats, demands, and forcable entry are completely wrong. A warrent is required if the homeowner doesn't acquiesce to a polite request. However, knowing what its like on the border (I live in Phoenix AZ, and had a good friend that lived very close to the border) things can get very isolated. I wouldn't be surprised if a government agency used that isolation to intimidate or bully a homeowner to get their way. And because of that I'd expect some very high levels of attention in the oversight of ATF that is running this program.

06-22-09, 02:59 PM	#43
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	I think it would be fair that if the felon had used a firearm or any weapon during thier crime they should never be allowed to own again.Though it doesnt really matter because they most likely got the firearm they used illegaly anyway.