In Border States, BATFE Asks: "May We See Your Guns?"
 

Nice.

-S

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Fe...d.aspx?id=4990

What's the problem here? What exactly is so horrid about knowing who's got what?

"Mr. Goldenrivet, May we see your guns?"

"If you produce a warrant, otherwise... f*ck off and have a nice day."

Privacy is enormously valued in the United States... Uncle Sam needs to keep to himself.

Because the theory of the American system is that the government, and you, have no right to know anything about me except what I want you too. We have a census every ten years, and these days the forms are so complex and intrusive that I never answer any questions except the one required by the Constitution: "How many people live in your residence?" Everything else is specifically denied the government.

@ Subman1: I apologize, a little. That is one part of the Constitution that does indeed directly affect me, which means that that one part is for me "the law of the land".

My point is, they specified border states, where I would think there would be illegal weapon smuggling. I understand your value of privacy, but where guns are concerned, I think its important to know where things are. That way, if one is stolen, it can be tracked and returned to you.

I think you're over-reacting just a little bit, to be honest. Over here, if you wish to own a shotgun or hunting rifle, the police keep a record of what you've got, and make a check in your home to ensure that you have the correct facilities to ensure that the weapon is stored safely and securely.

This is why it is important for the owner to inventory his firearms, record types of firearms and associated serial numbers. - if a firearm goes missing he can then provide the authorities with the information

once compiled this list should be copied in triplicate, one copy palced in a fireproof - waterproof case, one copy placed in a bank safe deposit box, and the third copy placed off premisis at a safe, reliable third location of your choosing.

when i was 12 years old, my father and I went through all 130 firearms in our home, compiled a list of types and serial numbers for the firearms, along with serial numbers (or descriptions if SNs unavailable) of each accessory (scope, sheath, bayonet, bi-pod, holster etc.)

a responsible gun owner will do this - and revise the list whenever new firearms are added to the collection.

i consider a purpose built combination safe to be a reliable and appropriate place to store firarms of virtually any size or caliber. the police or the ATF or FBI dont need to know JACK about what i have.

the revolutionary war was a long time ago, but in many american minds - it wasnt THAT long ago.

the reason the government doesnt need to know what i have in my home is because the government might be the very oppressive entity i may one day have to fight against... my firearms are not just for criminals. it happened once in america - and no matter how far out it might sound... it could happen again.

And that's part of the reason why we're not "over here" anymore. Literally.

agreed :salute:

Ah-kay, point taken.

In Britain it is said "An Englishmans home is his castle".

I readily admit it is even more so in the US...especially where firearms are concerned.

Who are these people they requested serials from? That's what I'd like to find out before I took a side on this particular issue.

i dont care if its bonnie and clyde in a fortified house with billy the kid, the hole in the wall gang and bin laden...

without a warrant - it doesnt matter who they are :shifty:

from the article it sounds to be law abiding NRA members

Well really it does matter, because if these people have a history of gun smuggling (big problem down here) or have been caught in the past with an illegal firearm, the government should have every right to check on what weapons they own and get detailed information about them.

yes... with a warrant :up:

if they have that history - obtaining a warrant should be a piece of cake, or should we ALL eventually just open our doors to Obama and his gestapo clowns no questions asked?

Are you new to America?

A warrant should not be a mandatory requirement for that kind of situation, simply because of the amount of time it would and could take (time enough to dispose of any evidence) and the fact you're dealing with a convicted felon who has shown no regard for the law in the past.

But in regards to good and upstanding citizens with no criminal background (as of then), I think the standard warrant laws we're using right now should be kept (so one would not be needed if the citizen agreed to let the law search their home and obtain information on firearms they have, but one would be needed if they refused).

That's hardly guaranteed given how many of these judges can be.

I have no trouble doing it. But then again, I'm only one person with nothing to hide.:03:

If you think asking for information about guns in this kind of manner is an authoritarian thing to do (as bad as the Gestapo's tactics apparently lol), then Golden, you have never lived in a country or even been CLOSE to a country with an actual authoritarian government, and you would not last long in one either...

I'm lucky to be living under these kinds of laws (I could be a lot worse off right now), and so are you, quite frankly. As I result, I'm not going to complain. But if you want to that's your right.:03: Just my two cents.