Where fools rush in.. (Dem's & hearings)

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

The US Gov't signed the Convention Against Torture, you can take the definition therein to be tacitly accepted by almost every nation on Earth.

Unless I miss your meaning thats one of the most niaeve things I've ever heard.

Im sure than now that we have a Convention terrorists will put down there machettes, car batterys, and whatever weird **** they use to torture people, sometimes just for sport. Yes all that will end now.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Unless I miss your meaning thats one of the most niaeve things I've ever heard.

Im sure than now that we have a Convention terrorists will put down there machettes, car batterys, and whatever weird **** they use to torture people, sometimes just for sport. Yes all that will end now.

Er, no. You're being obtuse. How did you possibly come to the conclusion that a convention against torture means an end to terrorism?

No terrorist signed the convention against torture, the US and other nations did. It doesn't mean that terrorism will vanish overnight, it means that certain nations agreed that there are things they will not do.

Originally Posted by Aramike

You are correct - I do believe that the Bush administration did try to redefine torture so that the methods that needed to be employed were legal.

Not legal under the definition in the Convention Against Torture. They should have withdrawn from the Convention if they wanted any of this to be legal. Why do it in secret? Why hide away?

Look, we're talking about innocent, civilian lives and people who are hell bent in taking them. Those people will use any method - including torture - INDISCRIMINATELY to cause terror and disrupt/destroy our way of life.

The Bush Administration realized that. Obama along with the very left-leaning UN does not.

The fact that they wish to gamble with the lives of civilians in order to attempt to make a political statement is wrong.

It's not possible that they believe that torturing is wrong? Not possible at all?

Waterboarding someone who knows information that can save lives, and will not disclose it, is not wrong.

What about pulling out fingernails?

Preventing the extraction of such information, especially for mere political gain, is MORALLY DEPRAVED.

Information from torture is notoriously unreliable.
The ticking-time-bomb scenario that you're describing just doesn't occur outside of 24.

I would buy this line of thinking.

So you approve of torture, AVG?


Does you believe that a nation will create more enemies by torturing the ones it captures?

Do you not believe that when America tortures prisoners, that it proves Al-Qaeda propaganda to be correct?