Where fools rush in.. (Dem's & hearings)

mookiemookie · 05-12-09, 07:56 AM

I fully support these hearings, regardless of who they implicate. People need to be held accountable for this crap so that it doesn't happen again.

SteamWake · 05-12-09, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

I fully support these hearings, regardless of who they implicate. People need to be held accountable for this crap so that it doesn't happen again.

I too fully support these hearings so that it will be pointed out that the Dem's themselves were not only fully aware of but approved of what was going on yet chastise the Bush admin for it.

Tchocky · 05-12-09, 08:58 AM

That's hilariously and depressingly partisan of you, SteamWake. Would you support such hearings if there was no involvement on the Democratic side?

Torture is wrong whether Nancy Pelosi knows about it or not.

SteamWake · 05-12-09, 09:01 AM

Im not going to get into the "I like torture" debate. Whom in their right mind would state "Im for torture !" for crying out loud.

This thread is about the hyprocisy and flat out bull **** that is being doled out.

Pelosi launches a pre-emptive strike

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0509/22401.html

August · 05-12-09, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

That's hilariously and depressingly partisan of you, SteamWake. Would you support such hearings if there was no involvement on the Democratic side?

Torture is wrong whether Nancy Pelosi knows about it or not.

He is no more partisan than you have been over the past year and you aren't even from here.

Tchocky · 05-12-09, 09:42 AM

I think being in favour of torture hearing just to embarrass a particular party goes a long way past my own bias.

SteamWake · 05-12-09, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

I think being in favour of torture hearing just to embarrass a particular party goes a long way past my own bias.

No the point is not to 'embarress' them but to have their deceptive ways revealed to the general public for all to see. Enough of the 'Do as I say not as I do'.

AVGWarhawk · 05-12-09, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

That's hilariously and depressingly partisan of you, SteamWake. Would you support such hearings if there was no involvement on the Democratic side?

Torture is wrong whether Nancy Pelosi knows about it or not.

Yes but this makes Pelosi just as suspect. Should have raised the flag then, not now.

Tchocky · 05-12-09, 10:14 AM

Just as suspect?

As the guys that ordered that people were to be tortured?

Waiting until your party has executive and legislative power mightn't be the most morally pure way to go about rectifying the cruel mess that was American Torture 2001-8, but it's not the same as ordering the cruelty in the first place.

SteamWake · 05-12-09, 10:20 AM

"Did Torture save lives?"

http://www.nationaljournal.com/njmag...90425_8738.php

mookiemookie · 05-12-09, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

"Did Torture save lives?"

http://www.nationaljournal.com/njmag...90425_8738.php

The CIA says "no":

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...print/asection

AVGWarhawk · 05-12-09, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

Just as suspect?

As the guys that ordered that people were to be tortured?

Waiting until your party has executive and legislative power mightn't be the most morally pure way to go about rectifying the cruel mess that was American Torture 2001-8, but it's not the same as ordering the cruelty in the first place.

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The Pelosi camp’s version of events is intended to answer two key questions posed by her critics: When, precisely, did she first learn about waterboarding? And why didn’t she do more to stop it?

I never said it is any better or worse than those that ordered the torture to begin with. My point is she is just as suspect and a conspirator in this matter because she had knowledge that this was going to happen. She sat on her thumbs. The premise here is not who is right or wrong, the premise is this should not have happened. Plenty were aware of it and of those who were aware had power to do something about it. Nothing was done. Pelosi is more powerful than the President IMO and no flags were raised then.

August · 05-12-09, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

Just as suspect?

As the guys that ordered that people were to be tortured?

Waiting until your party has executive and legislative power mightn't be the most morally pure way to go about rectifying the cruel mess that was American Torture 2001-8, but it's not the same as ordering the cruelty in the first place.

But if she was on the senate committee then she did have the legislative power.

Tchocky · 05-12-09, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by August

But if she was on the senate committee then she did have the legislative power.

The chances of an investigation being successful and clear are higher under a friendly administration than under the BUsh Administration. Obama has shown a remarkable willingness to get the facts out in the open. This makes the political atmosphere easier.
basically what Max2147 posted.

I can't get my head around the feelings that certain Democratic politicians are the ones at fault, and more deserving of ire and disrespect than the people who ordered the torture in the first place.

As for those arguing whether torture saves lives or not, I hope you can see what's wrong with that question.

There have been several investigation running since this came to attention, mostly in 2003/4, but now is the first time that documents have been willingly provided by the White House or any governement agency, documents that show the tortured logic and legal stovepiping that was going on after 9/11.

Read the memos released, they're harrowing.

05-12-09, 07:56 AM	#1
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05-12-09, 08:58 AM	#3
Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,874 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	That's hilariously and depressingly partisan of you, SteamWake. Would you support such hearings if there was no involvement on the Democratic side? Torture is wrong whether Nancy Pelosi knows about it or not. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

05-12-09, 09:01 AM	#4
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Im not going to get into the "I like torture" debate. Whom in their right mind would state "Im for torture !" for crying out loud. This thread is about the hyprocisy and flat out bull **** that is being doled out. Pelosi launches a pre-emptive strike http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0509/22401.html __________________ Follow the progress of Mr. Mulligan : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147648

05-12-09, 09:42 AM	#6
Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,874 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	I think being in favour of torture hearing just to embarrass a particular party goes a long way past my own bias. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

05-12-09, 10:14 AM	#9
Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,874 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Just as suspect? As the guys that ordered that people were to be tortured? Waiting until your party has executive and legislative power mightn't be the most morally pure way to go about rectifying the cruel mess that was American Torture 2001-8, but it's not the same as ordering the cruelty in the first place. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

05-12-09, 10:20 AM	#10
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	"Did Torture save lives?" http://www.nationaljournal.com/njmag...90425_8738.php __________________ Follow the progress of Mr. Mulligan : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147648