[REL] S3D - Silent 3ditor

[iambecomelife]

Woohoo! I got it!!:

IMPORTANT: If you have an ATI graphics card, AMD Pro software stops you from being able to use CONTROL+SHIFT+[KEY] combos. I disabled the hotkey assignments in AMD Pro software, and now I'm in business!

I suspect Jeff Groves and vickers either have Nvidia graphics cards, or do not use AMD Pro for ATI cards - that's why it was working for them.

The brief period on 11/23/2024 when it worked for me? Coincided with when AMD Pro happened to crash. It all makes sense.

If skwasjer ever comes back we should tell him.

[Senf-Man82]

Hi folks,

I am trying to import a fixed OBJ-file into my .dat and I keep getting this weird error message:

startIndex cannot be less than zero:

>>

System.ArgumentOutOfRangeException: StartIndex darf nicht kleiner als Null sein.
Parametername: startIndex
bei System.String.InternalSubStringWithChecks(Int32 startIndex, Int32 length, Boolean fAlwaysCopy)
bei System.String.Substring(Int32 startIndex)
bei e3.a(String A_0, IList`1& A_1)
bei c.w()
bei gv.c(Object A_0, LinkLabelLinkClickedEventArgs A_1)
bei System.Windows.Forms.LinkLabel.OnLinkClicked(LinkL abelLinkClickedEventArgs e)
bei System.Windows.Forms.LinkLabel.OnMouseUp(MouseEven tArgs e)
bei System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmMouseUp(Message& m, MouseButtons button, Int32 clicks)
bei System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
bei System.Windows.Forms.Label.WndProc(Message& m)
bei System.Windows.Forms.LinkLabel.WndProc(Message& msg)
bei System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.O nMessage(Message& m)
bei System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.W ndProc(Message& m)
bei System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)
<<

I tried to alter every possible export setting from Blender, but it keeps happening :/

[iambecomelife]

Originally Posted by Senf-Man82

Hi folks,

I am trying to import a fixed OBJ-file into my .dat and I keep getting this weird error message:

startIndex cannot be less than zero:

>>

System.ArgumentOutOfRangeException: StartIndex darf nicht kleiner als Null sein.
Parametername: startIndex
bei System.String.InternalSubStringWithChecks(Int32 startIndex, Int32 length, Boolean fAlwaysCopy)
bei System.String.Substring(Int32 startIndex)
bei e3.a(String A_0, IList`1& A_1)
bei c.w()
bei gv.c(Object A_0, LinkLabelLinkClickedEventArgs A_1)
bei System.Windows.Forms.LinkLabel.OnLinkClicked(LinkL abelLinkClickedEventArgs e)
bei System.Windows.Forms.LinkLabel.OnMouseUp(MouseEven tArgs e)
bei System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmMouseUp(Message& m, MouseButtons button, Int32 clicks)
bei System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
bei System.Windows.Forms.Label.WndProc(Message& m)
bei System.Windows.Forms.LinkLabel.WndProc(Message& msg)
bei System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.O nMessage(Message& m)
bei System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.W ndProc(Message& m)
bei System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)
<<

I tried to alter every possible export setting from Blender, but it keeps happening :/

Did you make sure the entire model is textured? If even one polygon is untextured, the import via Silent 3ditor will not work.

Also, how many polygons is the model? Silent 3ditor will usually give error messages when you try to import items of more than 35,000 - 40,000 polygons. For that reason, I usually separate the hull and superstructure of my ships as different objects.

[Jeff-Groves]

Perhaps provide the obj file/files so We can check them.
You might have different counts in V between the main obj and AO obj.
S3D don't like that!

[Senf-Man82]

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

Perhaps provide the obj file/files so We can check them.
You might have different counts in V between the main obj and AO obj.
S3D don't like that!

It is simply the hull model from the 641-Foxtrot Sub published here many many years ago.


I only exported it from S3D into Blender to slightly correct its orientation. After export from Blender (trying out numerous settings) upon reimport in S3D that error message keeps occuring.

[Jeff-Groves]

Originally Posted by Senf-Man82

It is simply the hull model from the 641-Foxtrot Sub published here many many years ago.


I only exported it from S3D into Blender to slightly correct its orientation. After export from Blender (trying out numerous settings) upon reimport in S3D that error message keeps occuring.

Without the obj files that you did? I can't help you. Sorry.

[Senf-Man82]

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

Without the obj files that you did? I can't help you. Sorry.

I have no option to attach them here, are you on discord subsim? I tried to do the required x-axis rotation in S3D, but the game keeps ignoring in. I don't suppose there is a function to apply rotation in (so new value goes "0") in S3D?

[propbeanie]

Originally Posted by Senf-Man82

It is simply the hull model from the 641-Foxtrot Sub published here many many years ago.


I only exported it from S3D into Blender to slightly correct its orientation. After export from Blender (trying out numerous settings) upon reimport in S3D that error message keeps occuring.

Check your import / export settings in Blender Senf-Man82. You might notice that Blender imports with the boat looking to be setting on its tail. When you export, it might lay it flat on its hull, plus there are the the other settings that matter in the export dialog. I'll see if I can find mine here in a bit... Nothing too difficult, just frustrating to get set correctly.

[Jeff-Groves]

I don't believe his is a matter of X or Y up.
It's a total failure to import. I think it's a mismatch of Verts between the main obj file and the AO obj file.
That's an easy mistake to make for newer users of S3D.

You can set Blender to Import with the Y axis as up to avoid that standing on tail thing you know.
Do I need to get my box of crayons out and draw a picture?

[skwasjer]

Originally Posted by iambecomelife

If skwasjer ever comes back we should tell him.

[Aktungbby]

skwasjer!after a 5-year 'silent run'!

[Jeff-Groves]

Originally Posted by skwasjer

Great to see you pop in!


So maybe you just might Update S3D a tiny little bit? It seems all the rage to Update stuff here recently.


For an example.
Maybe take an SH4 animation file and render a 3D Model so one could change the animation and create a new one?
Allow MeshAnimation2 to be exported and imported without doing Hex Editor stuff?

[Jeff-Groves]

Incase you have not kept up?
I can rip animations from SH5 and import to SH4.
I've not released that information yet since no one even does much animation work. I'd say most animation work is really simple but high over head stuff.
Like Keyframe and simple MeshAnimation stuff.
There is a WHOLE nother World if one can access the Bones stuff!

[skwasjer]

Hey Jeff,

I most definitely have not kept up, but good to see you still rockin' it. I just stopped by out of curiosity to see how SH and the community was doing.

I always said I'd be interested to just release the code so its development can continue without my (active) intervention. But even though I did manage to release the file parsers like 4-5 years ago IIRC, just this alone took a lot of work because I had to modernize the toolchain to make it work (for general consumption) and remove a lot of licensed code, and address some other issues.

But to give you an idea, the S3D application itself (which uses those parsers) contains probably 8-10x more code, uses old dependencies, has similar issues (with regards to licensing, dependencies, etc.), has an installer project that no longer works, etc.

The amount of work needed to modernize S3D is not trivial, and I am not sure it is worth the time anymore. Surely, the SH (mod) scene is not as active as it used to be?

Perhaps when I retire IRL, who knows, getting there

[iambecomelife]

Originally Posted by skwasjer

Hey Jeff,

I most definitely have not kept up, but good to see you still rockin' it. I just stopped by out of curiosity to see how SH and the community was doing.

I always said I'd be interested to just release the code so its development can continue without my (active) intervention. But even though I did manage to release the file parsers like 4-5 years ago IIRC, just this alone took a lot of work because I had to modernize the toolchain to make it work (for general consumption) and remove a lot of licensed code, and address some other issues.

But to give you an idea, the S3D application itself (which uses those parsers) contains probably 8-10x more code, uses old dependencies, has similar issues (with regards to licensing, dependencies, etc.), has an installer project that no longer works, etc.

The amount of work needed to modernize S3D is not trivial, and I am not sure it is worth the time anymore. Surely, the SH (mod) scene is not as active as it used to be?

Perhaps when I retire IRL, who knows, getting there

It's so wonderful to see you again! S3D as it is has been absolutely addictive to me, it has been so wonderful to tweak the game in ways we never could have dreamed of before 2010.

I still remember the nightmare of hand-altering individual id's to clone my [ugly] HMS Renown into existence, around 2007. We here owe you and other tool creators a huge debt .... things that took days can now be done in seconds. You are responsible for consuming so many of my days off.

Even though the modding community at Subsim is small (and smaller than it was back in the day), we are devoted. I would really like to give you some substantial support with respect to modding tool development. I will PM you shortly!