NYGM - Chronometer not visible (but working) & a few other things

[John Pancoast]

Originally Posted by yagura

I changed the mods accordingly but the views are the same (maybe as they are supposed to be) and the chronometer is still missing (although clickable with the ticking starting after click.)

Activated mods list this time:
NYGM Tonnage War V2.5 - Stand Alone Version
NYGM3_New
NYGM3_6F
NYGM_2017A
IABLShipsforNYGM_New_Thomsen
WYGM
Supplement to V16B1

I do not have the subsim post at hand, but the mod order I posted earlier was based on one I believe Stiebler was using and had posted some time ago (could be quite old.) I will possibly try to find that post later.

P.S. I occasionally get crash-to-desktop when loading the main menu, and very rarely when initializing the game world. Maybe there is a small chance I did some of the SH3.exe patching or something incorrectly, or something went wrong with it for some other reason. The game seems to work just fine when it does not get those crashes in the beginning though.



Please do tell more if you like! I am interested.
Thanks also to Mad Mardigan and Mister_M for your answers!

Almost everytime one has the problems you're describing, it is because of conflicts/overwriting with the menu_1024_768.ini file. It is what controls a large part of what you see in the game and where on the screen it is.

If when activating your mods you notice it being written over, that needs to be looked at.
As said earlier, I can guarantee you that the Hitman's Optics and WYGM mods conflict with each other, i.e.
A good test you can do is apply each mod ONE AT A TIME, starting and trying the game each time.
When the problems you list start, that tells you what mod is the problem.

[John Pancoast]

Regarding the malfunctions/sabotage function not being used in NYGM: that is because the Commander file that does that function, randomizedevents.cfg found in the Commander cfg folder, uses hex offsets on SH3 game files to activatate the malfunction/sabotage functions. See the randomizedevents file for examples.

The randomizedevents.cfg file that comes with Commander is based on version 1.4 of the game, including the above hex offsets.
A megamod such as NYGM changes these hex offsets. So unless the mod maker(s) include updated hex offsets for the randomizedevents.cfg file in Commander, Commander will be using the incorrect offsets when activating the malfunction/sabotage option.
Doing that can cause problems with the game files and gameplay.
NYGM did not update these offsets with their Commander files, thus the recommmendation to not use the malfunction/sabotage option in Commander.

[FUBAR295]

Link for correct load out of NYGM ;

https://www.subsim.com/mods1/nygm/

Good hunting,
FUBAR295

[Jeff-Groves]

That link don't work.
Takes me to the page but can't download the Commander files.

[FUBAR295]

Thanks Jeff.

Hmmmm .... It's working for me.

Let me make a screen shot and post.

[FUBAR295]

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First prepare a CLEAN installation of Ubisoft's Silent Hunter III, including Ubisoft's own 'patch 1.4b' (this is pre-installed on all releases of SHIII by Ubisoft after the end of 2005.)
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• 10. EnvSimAct_10.7z (Optional, 5 KBytes)
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• 12. WYGM.7z (Optional, 35 MBytes)
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  File (11) should be installed LAST of all the above mods in your set-up.
  File (12) - the wide-screen (1920x1080) mod should be installed after file (11).
  File (13) - for use only with the H.sie and Stiebler hard-code patches.
  Full instructions for use are found in the documentation folders of NYGM 2.5 and NYGM 3_New. A few additional small mods are included in the documentation folder of the latest overlay of NYGM, currently 3.6F (file (3)).
  
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  • File (5) contains ships of IABL's new highly detailed merchant fleet, specially selected for NYGM and well tested.
  • File (6) contains the files needed to operate a U-boat from the French Biscay base of La Rochelle.
  • File (7) contains the latest files for NYGM, to be installed with JScones' popular SH3Commander mod. Full instructions provided with file. But you must have SH3Commander installed for these files to serve any purpose, and the files should be installed in the SH3Commander folder as stated in their documentation. (Optional.)
  • File (8) contains a small patch to improve IABL's large new MSM-interim-beta merchant fleet for use with NYGM. The fleet itself must be downloaded from IABL directly. Then install this mod (8) afterwards. If you install the MSM-interim-beta fleet, you *must not* install the earlier IABL fleet, file (4) above. This mod will also improve the same ships where found in IABL's final merchant ship release(s).
  • File (9) contains an expansion of H.sie's famous 'Wolf-pack' patch kit (now v 1.6B1, file (9) is NOT suitable for the older V16A3) for improving and removing bugs from the main Ubisoft file, SH3.exe. For copyright reasons, you must have your own original SH3.exe file, our patch kit uses our original code to modify Ubisoft's code, and the patch-kit functions only with legitimate copies of SH3.exe.(Optional.)
  • File (10) contains revised weather file envsim.act, in two forms. One form is for ANY form of the original SH3.exe, as used in NYGM (included with NYGM_2017A), GWX, LSH3 and other super-mods. The other should be used for those who have patched SH3.exe with H.sie's hard-code patch. (Optional.)
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[yagura]

Originally Posted by John Pancoast

Almost everytime one has the problems you're describing, it is because of conflicts/overwriting with the menu_1024_768.ini file. It is what controls a large part of what you see in the game and where on the screen it is.

If when activating your mods you notice it being written over, that needs to be looked at.
As said earlier, I can guarantee you that the Hitman's Optics and WYGM mods conflict with each other, i.e.
A good test you can do is apply each mod ONE AT A TIME, starting and trying the game each time.
When the problems you list start, that tells you what mod is the problem.

Alright! Simply removed both WYGM and Hitman's Optics, fantastic! It looks great and the chronometer is there, the game feels much more like how I remember vanilla being. The periscope & map views and such all scale nice and large. Thanks!

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

That link don't work.
Takes me to the page but can't download the Commander files.

I downloaded most of the needed stuff from there successfully, but I needed to right-click the link and select 'Copy link (address?)' and manually paste that copied address into a new tab in my browser to make the download start. For some reason, left-clicking the links did not work for me. I downloaded all those files ~2 days ago so it should still be all OK!

[John Pancoast]

Originally Posted by yagura

Alright! Simply removed both WYGM and Hitman's Optics, fantastic! It looks great and the chronometer is there, the game feels much more like how I remember vanilla being. The periscope & map views and such all scale nice and large. Thanks!



I downloaded most of the needed stuff from there successfully, but I needed to right-click the link and select 'Copy link (address?)' and manually paste that copied address into a new tab in my browser to make the download start. For some reason, left-clicking the links did not work for me. I downloaded all those files ~2 days ago so it should still be all OK!

Glad to hear it. You can use Hitman's Optics (one of my favorites) OR the WYGM mod.
You just CANNOT use both.

[John Pancoast]

I just noticed this in your mods list: Supplement to V16B1 (I am using h.sie & Stiebler's fixes)
If this means you enabled some of Stiebler's patches via the options selector then that is incomplete too.
Let me know if you are using some of Stiebler's patches per options selector and I'll list what else you need to do to make them work correctly in the game.

[yagura]

Originally Posted by John Pancoast

Let me know if you are using some of Stiebler's patches per options selector and I'll list what else you need to do to make them work correctly in the game.

When I used Hsie Option Selector I had everything checked on except Wolfpk less contact reports & Bad Weather Fix. I followed these instructions:

Originally Posted by EnvSimAct_v10_Readme.txt

2. If you ARE using H.sie's hardware fix.
You will need to activate the correct EnvSim file as follows:

a) Use the Options Selector provided with the H.sie V16B1 package to switch OFF H.sie's Bad Weather Fix in your SH3.exe file. Place your newly created SH3.exe file in this folder (EnvSimAct_10), where you can see the two envsim files mentioned above.

b) Rename EnvSim.act to EnvSim.acx (this means it will not be recognised by Silent Hunter III.).
c) Rename EnvSim_HsieFix.acx to EnvSim.act

d) ... Alternatively, copy across both the new EnvSim.act file and your new SH3.exe into your folder \Ubisoft\SilentHunterIII\, where it will replace the original version.

Note that, as per instruction d), I decided to copy and replace the .act and .exe files, instead of activating them via JSGME. The Supplement to V16B1 in my JSGME activated mods list is done according to the related documentation (Readme_V16B1.pdf) and the tests contained within that document (menu version number, new messages, wolfpack communications) were all OK. Weather has seemed normal/good too. Sorry if any of the info was confusing.

As for Hitman's Optics, I might be interested in getting that to work still but it seemed like both it and WYGM were giving me trouble with the views. But I will test that some more later on. Sound mods and some visual things might be nice too; an attack disc seems like a must-have for me.

[John Pancoast]

Originally Posted by yagura

When I used Hsie Option Selector I had everything checked on except Wolfpk less contact reports & Bad Weather Fix. I followed these instructions:



Note that, as per instruction d), I decided to copy and replace the .act and .exe files, instead of activating them via JSGME. The Supplement to V16B1 in my JSGME activated mods list is done according to the related documentation (Readme_V16B1.pdf) and the tests contained within that document (menu version number, new messages, wolfpack communications) were all OK. Weather has seemed normal/good too. Sorry if any of the info was confusing.

As for Hitman's Optics, I might be interested in getting that to work still but it seemed like both it and WYGM were giving me trouble with the views. But I will test that some more later on. Sound mods and some visual things might be nice too; an attack disc seems like a must-have for me.

Ok as long as you didn't apply any of the patches from Stiebler's section of the option selector you should be alright.
However, you really should always use JSGME to apply any mod and I also would recommend using the Wolfpack less contact reports option.
It can take a long time to get a pack sorted out even with this option, let alone without it.

[yagura]

Originally Posted by John Pancoast

you really should always use JSGME to apply any mod and I also would recommend using the Wolfpack less contact reports option.
It can take a long time to get a pack sorted out even with this option, let alone without it.

Alright, I am planning on uninstalling all the mods and the game (SH3Commander is rollbacked) and redoing it all via JSGME + with the Wolfpack less contact reports. While making sure I did not miss some uninstallation instructions I noticed this in the NYGM3_6F documentation:

Originally Posted by NYGM3_6_Manual.pdf

IMPORTANT NOTE FOR NYGM USERS: the latest Stiebler hard-code fix, version 4C, provides special Anvart-made turms that also mount both fixed and rotatable radars correctly. Owing to the impossibility of maintaining mod compatibility across NYGM and other super-mods, players of NYGM SHOULD NOT NOW USE the Anvart-Stiebler patch provided with the Stiebler hard-code fix 4C. Instead, download and install from the NYGM website at SubSim this patch: Stiebler4C_SubsFlag (put together by Tycho).

Do you have any knowledge about that?

I am also probably going to try out "Makman's Final GUI" (not sure if this is the correct name) mainly due to a specific periscope sight and the attack disc that should be contained within it. Do you think most of the mods related to that will be activated in JSGME after the NYGM and IABL mods?

Also if you have any general knowledge about the order of activating sound mods or mods that alter e.g. crew clothes, interiors, and other visuals I would be thankful for any notes.