Syria Shoots Down Turkish Fighter

TLAM Strike · 06-22-12, 11:21 AM

There is also reports that a Syrian jet defected to Jordan.

Codz · 06-22-12, 12:39 PM

It would be interesting to see what Russia does if NATO does get directly involved.

Hottentot · 06-22-12, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Codz

It would be interesting to see what Russia does if NATO does get directly involved.

Condemn strongly, make lots of noise, maybe show some muscles, write long winded letters about the moral decadence of other nations, rant about human rights and make some little annoying "Ha! Take that!" gestures on some more obscure and less important matter to have a little payback. Much like it usually works in international relations. Or a sandbox, for that matter.

Edit: I forgot the most important and obvious one. Praise self, of course.

Oberon · 06-22-12, 01:34 PM

Oh Snap, Turkey has been angry at Syria since day one of this mess, this could be the turning factor if Turkey decides to directly intervene.

Whether NATO would actually follow through if Turkey invited it is another matter, some nations probably would, but many I think would just commit a token force.

Jimbuna · 06-22-12, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

Oh Snap, Turkey has been angry at Syria since day one of this mess, this could be the turning factor if Turkey decides to directly intervene.

Whether NATO would actually follow through if Turkey invited it is another matter, some nations probably would, but many I think would just commit a token force.

If Turkey 'directly intervenes' I can see Russia making a lot of political noise but nothing more because NATO and or the US would have no other option than to become physically involved in response to what the west would see as Russian aggression.

My own assessment: still a storm in a tea cup.

MH · 06-22-12, 03:29 PM

So far this questionable incident is least of a reason to intervene if anyone really wanted to get involved openly in this mess.
I think Russians are doing favor for all involved...and they still take the blame as the bad guys.

mapuc · 06-22-12, 08:07 PM

I hope they will find some kind of solution to the current problems down there so it does not turn into a bloody full-scale civil war

and if it happens, I hope that the rest of the world stay away and not stick its nose into this wasp's nest.

I for one are not interested in a war-like situation in which Syria on the one side, getting military support from Russia and and perhaps China, fighting, the Syrian opposition that is probably supported by NATO and perhaps U.S.A

I hope for the best but are prepared for the worst.

Markus

joegrundman · 06-23-12, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

If Turkey 'directly intervenes' I can see Russia making a lot of political noise but nothing more because NATO and or the US would have no other option than to become physically involved in response to what the west would see as Russian aggression.

My own assessment: still a storm in a tea cup.

don't count on it.

the war chants are building up slowly.

If turkey wants this to be a non-story that is resolvable with a payment and an apology, then it will be.

But if not, then this will be escalated.

Many parties are interested in escalating the Syrian situation, and Assad's days are definitely numbered, but slowly, slowly is the watchword for this time around in the regime change game. And maybe it will even be Turkey and/or Saudi Arabia that pulls the trigger (but with the nod from Washington)

p.s. anyone know what the Syrian weapon system was that downed the Phantom?

Jimbuna · 06-23-12, 10:14 AM

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p.s. anyone know what the Syrian weapon system was that downed the Phantom?

Possibly an SA-5 Gammon.

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According to rumors, it was an SA-5 Gammon (S-200) a long range medium to high-altitude mobile SAM produced by the Soviets in the ’60s. Five SA-5 sites are known to be active in Syria.

http://theaviationist.com/2012/06/22/tuaf-f4-shot-down/

mapuc · 06-22-12, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Codz

It would be interesting to see what Russia does if NATO does get directly involved.

Heard on danish radio, that Russia would not hesitate to give Syria advanced ground-to-air system. If NATO is carrying out its threat to intervene in Syria.

So its going to be very interesting on what's really going to happen if NATO carries out its threats

Markus

MH · 06-22-12, 02:01 PM

Nothing will happen.

Oberon · 06-22-12, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MH

Nothing will happen.

This is the most likely of things.

Still, an interesting, and some might say inevitable, occurrence.

Kongo Otto · 06-23-12, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MH

Nothing will happen.

Spot on!

TarJak · 06-23-12, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

There is also reports that a Syrian jet defected to Jordan.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/syrian-c...622-20rod.html

According to this report the pilot, a colonel in the Syrian defence forces, has been granted asylum in Jordan.

BossMark · 06-23-12, 01:21 AM

Well it looks like there will be a few pissed off Turkeys, all they will do is flap their wings run round in circles and then do bugger all about it.

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Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Oh Snap, Turkey has been angry at Syria since day one of this mess, this could be the turning factor if Turkey decides to directly intervene. Whether NATO would actually follow through if Turkey invited it is another matter, some nations probably would, but many I think would just commit a token force.

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MH Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 3,184 Downloads: 248 Uploads: 0	So far this questionable incident is least of a reason to intervene if anyone really wanted to get involved openly in this mess. I think Russians are doing favor for all involved...and they still take the blame as the bad guys.

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