More than Mexicans crossing the border (Maybe AZ has the right idea)

[GoldenRivet]

Unfortunately gentlemen - none of these recommendations will ever happen.


You have a president and a congress in power who LOVE to bend to the will of these illegal's "plight".

Your president is more likely to push through an emergency amnesty bill than he is to sign tougher immigration laws.

Without a hot war - California is LOST. she ceases to be a State in any regards other than inclusion on our maps... it is a territory of Mexico now and that is a sad fact we must all face.

If you tried for mass deportations etc the entire Mexican Republic of California would erupt into violence.

The United States Military... and i do mean virtually every branch, would be involved in an 18-24 month campaign of enforcement in a land mass slightly larger in land area than Germany.

There are enough illegal Mexicans in the Los Angeles area alone (and legal Immigrants sympathetic to their situation) to burn that entire city to the ground from end to end.

Combine this with the fact that there are untold scores of legal and illegal firearms and a populace of desperate people... there will be blood.

Lets look at some history here.

Prior to the mid 1800s much of the present day Southwestern United States was Mexican Territory.

TEXAS- when the Mexican government removed almost all restrictions to legal immigration into its Northern Territory known as Texas there came a great deal of white settlers into the region. Within a matter of just a couple of years those white settlers were the majority, they held the population majority and they represented the majority of land owners, business owners etc.

One day, these men felt like they were being treated unfairly by Mexico, and fought for their independence - an independence which they eventually won. Texas formed it's own independent republic, and eventually accepted statehood into the United States. many argue that this acceptance of statehood was formed because Texans felt it would help protect them from future Mexican aggression.

California shares a very similar history as do much of the areas of the Southwest.

now... these illegal immigrants dont feel like they are breaking a law.

many of them probably feel like they are "taking back what is rightfully theirs"

problem is - they lost it all in a number of political gambles and wars and insurrections - fair and square.

The question is - what sort of leadership must we elect and what sort of things do we need to do to keep this from happening to Arizona, New Mexico and Texas?

Arizona is headed down the right path.

will we follow her?

we should, lest we place ourselves in a position to lose everything.

No i dont know how most Texans feel... But i'll be massacred in Goliad, Texas and gunned down in San Antonio or fight tooth and nail in San Jacinto before I'll willfully see the Mexican Flag (or the French or Spanish flags) fly over this land ever again.

[Ducimus]

Yeah, ive been saying for awhile now that the treaty of Gauadlope Hiledalgo is null and void. California is indeed irrecoverable, on many fronts. Not just immigration.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

treaty of Gauadlope Hiledalgo

LOL

as if millions of illegal immigrants would even honor it.

[Ducimus]

Well, in another couple years i might end up in Utah. Maybe i'll go say hello to sailor steve or something. Never thought id see the day when i wanted... wanted to leave what i consider my native land. But, it's just not the same anymore. This isn't what home once was. I'll miss the sierra's and local mountains the most i think. That and a good chinese fast food joint.

[CaptainHaplo]

Last estimates I saw were 12 Million illegals in the country...

Figure 1/3 of them are actually employed. The rest may be women watching the kids at home - who knows - lets just use the number for now.

Thats 4 Million Jobs.....

Pack em all up, ship em home - you not only save truckloads of money on welfare/medicaid costs, you also now have 4 million jobs that need filling. You'd have the citizens of this country asking "what recession?"....

Just sayin.

[Ducimus]

>>The rest may be women watching the kids at home

Kids who will be voting later on if not already because they were born here.
How LA can call a "boycott" on arizona me thinks.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

Last estimates I saw were 12 Million illegals in the country...

Figure 1/3 of them are actually employed. The rest may be women watching the kids at home - who knows - lets just use the number for now.

Thats 4 Million Jobs.....

Pack em all up, ship em home - you not only save truckloads of money on welfare/medicaid costs, you also now have 4 million jobs that need filling. You'd have the citizens of this country asking "what recession?"....

Just sayin.

And where are you going to find an American willing to do this type of work? In my neighbourhood all I see are "help wanted signs" and businesses can't find anyone willing to do entry level/ labour work.

You think any of The Frau's kids will be willing to, gasp, work for a living? . A few years ago, I literally could not pay a kid in our neighbourhood to mow a lawn. Kids in my neighbourhood don't want to work.

So these immigrants may be taking jobs, but I wager they are taking jobs American's don't want to do.

I don't see too many American's lining up to pick carrots these days.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by Platapus

And where are you going to find an American willing to do this type of work? In my neighbourhood all I see are "help wanted signs" and businesses can't find anyone willing to do entry level/ labour work.

You think any of The Frau's kids will be willing to, gasp, work for a living? . A few years ago, I literally could not pay a kid in our neighbourhood to mow a lawn. Kids in my neighbourhood don't want to work.

So these immigrants may be taking jobs, but I wager they are taking jobs American's don't want to do.

I don't see too many American's lining up to pick carrots these days.

I have no appreciation or respect for this point of view.

If a person is destitute... they WILL do any job you put in front of them

you act like there are no Americans willing to do any of this work, when i know flat out that what you are saying is BS.

I know personally several men who will install plumbing, drywall, roofing, do minor electrical work, dig ditches - the list goes on - problem is these mexicans come in and get 5 of their brothers and cousins on the job and get it done in an hour and charge $100 flat... then they split it 5 ways and they can afford to eat for the remainder of the day.

If the jobs were available, and they needed filling... you would have workers.

The primary reason you have a sense of entitlement in this country is because your government wants you to need it desperately... we have too many effing entitlement programs and welfare BS.

do you think that single mother or that single dad or that family with 5 kids would continue to sit on their asses if the government cheese stopped oozing into their mailboxes every month????

they would HAVE to go out and work - like a human being is supposed to do in this world

pull your own weight... im done pulling it for these people

[Iceman]

Originally Posted by Platapus

I don't see too many American's lining up to pick carrots these days.

That's an assinine assumption there...ship em back to where they came from and see who go's for the jobs...a ****ty balance was created and perpetuated by just that kind of thinking...tell you what...if i lost my job today you bet your ass I'd be lining up to pick dog **** up if I had to to feed my kids.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

Unfortunately gentlemen - none of these recommendations will ever happen.


You have a president and a congress in power who LOVE to bend to the will of these illegal's "plight".

Your president is more likely to push through an emergency amnesty bill than he is to sign tougher immigration laws.

Good point, for history shows us that there were no problems with immigration when we had a Republican President.

If only we could go back to what President Bush did concerning immigration during the eight years he was in office, with six of them with a Republican Senate, all these problems would be............. ignored?