SH5 is a JOKE!

[The Enigma]

Originally Posted by Atributri74

I agree 110%. Silent Hunter 3 is still the one, and only Silent Hunter.

So you agree 110% to this too:

Originally Posted by SSN*593 View Post
How could the "so called expert" of submarine simulation not see that SH5 is a total abortion and software derailment of what was/should be expected in the NEXT installment of this great title

Did you even bother to read Neal's reply?

More and more I'm getting the impression that reading isn't for both of you one of your strongest points.

[Mud]

I agree always 10% more than the others who agree.

In the end we all know it´s Neal´s fault.

Originally Posted by Drifter

*sigh* The more I play SH5, the more I have to agree with the original poster. SH5 should have never been released in this condition. Never.

Well you can't expect high quality of the game that comes from company like Ubisoft.. They were always lacking of time to complete any of SH series. Might be the reason of poor budget and project development period planing and this is of course the inner problems of UBI. To complete the game and most importantly to deliver it to customers in the shape of usable product is a must for any self respecting company. There is little who wants to buy the unfinished product with accompany of even more stupid approach of digital rights security like DRM. You can't expect much of budget income as game-dev company with such careless work.
So is SH5 a Joke ? If softly said - Joke as least..

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by SSN*593

I trusted Neals judgement and BOUGHT the GAME--I feel betrayed--that's WHY; get a clue! All the other gaming sites don't give this title more than a 5! Now I completely understand why.

You can't trust an opinion from someone that must push the good aspects of the game

[John Channing]

1) Did you ready anything in Neal's post?

2) Have you read any of Neal's reviews for SH2, 3, 4 and PT Boats

3) If the answer to 1) or 2) is yes, why would you say something like that?

4) Would you come into someone's house as a guest and insult them in that manner?

Good Heavens, man.

JCC

[Bilge_Rat]

Originally Posted by Armistead

You can't trust an opinion from someone that must push the good aspects of the game

what makes you say that?

when has he written a review or preview that was false or misleading?

what facts do you have to back up your accusations?

[Safe-Keeper]

This person can have there opinion just like everyone else.

I find it odd that those of us who like the game manage to follow rules, while the people who dislike it think they each need their own thread to state their opinions on the game.

I mean, seriously, how many different ways can you say "the game is buggy and arcade-ish and I hate DRM"?

UBI made it public months ago that there would be no player control in this version. At least that was my understanding, from what I've read.

Yes, the fact that you can't control the submarine has been known for an eternity, where have you been?

But trust me, it picks up. Just wait 'til the bosun gets murdered on the way to Scapa Flow, though. You'll never guess who the killer is.

I trusted Neals judgement and BOUGHT the GAME--I feel betrayed--that's WHY; get a clue! All the other gaming sites don't give this title more than a 5! Now I completely understand why.

Er, what? I visited Metacritic to check your claim out, and while they have only 3 reviews in so far, the scores are 80, 60 and 50. Only 63 on average, but far better than your "all 5/10" claim.

[Wilcke]

Everyone has strong opinions regarding SH5. I am into a career now and this thing is really growing on me. The only mods I am running are Ducimus' AI and Sub physics. I modded the commands file.

I am quite happy with SH5 overall. 8/10

[SSN*593]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

It's very simple, the preview was based on a beta version of the game. Naturally, they cannot send me a finished version of the game to do a preview, because it is not finished. And nowhere did I say that the game was "fantastic! Awesome! Must-have!", did I? Did you even read the preview? Maybe you missed this:



You do understand what subtext is, don't you?

There is no way for me or any reviewer to accurately predict what a game will be like when it is released in March 2010, based on a beta from late 2009. I could have said, "Oh, based on this beta, the game will be a disaster!" but I could have very easily been flat wrong, and in any case, not very responsible.

Does that answer your question?
Neal

It's my fault--yes, I read your PREVIEW completely and I could tell some things were amiss, but to what degree was my real question. The only way to find out was to purchase the digital download and see for myself.

It came as a BOMBSHELL when I ran my first historical engagement. Attempted to tap a few good well known short cut keys (SH4) and NOTHING WORKED. Now panicked, I went straight to the F keys in hopes of jumping right into a few stations, and as you might have guessed, that didn't work either.

Was guessing/hoping that maybe someone from the dev team read your preview and had FIXED all that stuff for the final release. So it appears I got the same thing you did--a big surprise.

My main concern was why you didn't have a complete breakdown like me and raise the ALARM as it is justified here. DRM aside, we needed a functioning boat, not some cheesy pretty graphic slide show.

To sum it up: SH4 meets PS3 = SH5

I am NOT blaming you 100% Neal for my dissatisfaction. You did your job and you raised some good points, but had it been me writing the preview, I would have clearly stated that the next release is a clear deviation from previous games which has me quite concerned at this point, and should be redeveloped from the ground up to give us everything we had in SH3/4 and more.

Isn't that the whole point of continuing a great game? Give us the same plus more. I think the devs would have really listened to you had you demanded it. Didn't you have a ton of influence in the creation of SH4? If I recall, it was delayed a few times because you had concerns in it's development and what the SIM COMMUNITY wanted (?). Why didn't you do that with SH5 or did they, like you said, have a "black out" with details?

Your REviews are great and it will be interesting to read your final REVIEW of SH5.

[John Channing]

So you didn't read the manual, didn't press F1 to check out the key assignments, didn't do any preperation at all before jumping right in and then got mad because what you had assumed was incorrect?




Got it.

Stupid Ubisoft for not making it the way you thought it should be.

JCC

[Safe-Keeper]

Didn't you have a ton of influence in the creation of SH4? If I recall, it was delayed a few times because you had concerns in it's development and what the SIM COMMUNITY wanted (?). Why didn't you do that with SH5 or did they, like you said, have a "black out" with details?

Walking around inside the sub and/or having every compartment modelled is something a lot of people asked for after III and 4. Don't kid yourself.

[martin1004]

Just experienced a massive fail from DRM or whatever it's called. Since my Windows computer isn't connected to the internet and there's no way it will be anytime soon. Now I have SH5 but can't play it thanks to the brilliant new DRM idea

[sav112]

Originally Posted by John Channing

So you didn't read the manual, didn't press F1 to check out the key assignments, didn't do any preperation at all before jumping right in and then got mad because what you had assumed was incorrect?




Got it.

Stupid Ubisoft for not making it the way you thought it should be.

JCC

There was me thinking its was all the Bug's but yes Probably is the fact the controls have been done poorly in most experienced fans view. Right of you to pull the player up for his behaviour especially when the instruction book is an insight into submarine warfare for the second world war.
I think the player just found out the game plays pish.

[John Channing]

Originally Posted by sav112

There was me thinking its was all the Bug's but yes Probably is the fact the controls have been done poorly in most experienced fans view. Right of you to pull the player up for his behaviour especially when the instruction book is an insight into submarine warfare for the second world war.
I think the player just found out the game plays pish.

I guess I can understand where you are coming from. You obviously didn't read his initial complaints, or the second time he posted his complaints. I guess being informed on actual the topic would have cut into your posting time, so your lack of comprehension of the topic is completely understandable.

This "experienced fan's view" is that it is a good thing to read the manual... even that manual, before jumping in.

The lack of the same control structure identical to the previous iterations of the series is not actually a bug.

And what, exactly, has the fact that the manual points out which keys you need to be familiar with to play the game properly got to do with it's failure as "an insight into submarine warfare for the second world war."

The manual is pretty bad, even by post-SH1 standards, but a perusal of it would have solved the OP's problems.

JCC

[IanC]

[sarcasm] There you have it then. The OP made no valid points, it's all about him not reading the manual. He is stooopid, so is anybody who doesn't like SH5, stoopidz all of you.
You can close the thread now, case closed. [/sarcasm]

edit: yeah I better add sarcasm just in case you stoopidz don't get it