SH5 is a JOKE!

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by SSN*593

You know this is a piss poor game when you need a MOD to fix it; what happened to my CONTROLS, UBI? SH5 looks and feels like a damn kiddy console game on my PC with 4 options; A, B, C, or D. SH5 is an absolute failure and I am/will be getting my CASH back for this massive mistake. It reminds me of what happened to Far Cry; UBI and DEV team butchered it and turned it into console crap. Add this dumb DRM to SH5 and it's a pure failure--how in the world could Neal Stevens NOT see this in his PREVIEW? Somebody, please tell me? How could the "so called expert" of submarine simulation not see that SH5 is a total abortion and software derailment of what was/should be expected in the NEXT installment of this great title

It's very simple, the preview was based on a beta version of the game. Naturally, they cannot send me a finished version of the game to do a preview, because it is not finished. And nowhere did I say that the game was "fantastic! Awesome! Must-have!", did I? Did you even read the preview? Maybe you missed this:

Normally, with a preview I do not mention bugs or glitches--one shouldn't expect a preview build should to be polished or complete. But with Ubisoft waiting until the eleventh-hour to send out preview copies, it's hard to ignore the current state of the game. How much can the dev team improve the game in a month or so? Based on the condition of the preview build, I don't think it's a stretch to expect a Day 1 patch. There are some questions that cannot be fully answered until the game is released: What state is the game in?..... Will long-time Subsim players buy another unfinished game? And, most importantly, will Ubisoft support the game in the months ahead with patches that refine the game and complete the gaps that should have been in place to start with?

You do understand what subtext is, don't you?

There is no way for me or any reviewer to accurately predict what a game will be like when it is released in March 2010, based on a beta from late 2009. I could have said, "Oh, based on this beta, the game will be a disaster!" but I could have very easily been flat wrong, and in any case, not very responsible.

Does that answer your question?
Neal

[SSN*593]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

It's very simple, the preview was based on a beta version of the game. Naturally, they cannot send me a finished version of the game to do a preview, because it is not finished. And nowhere did I say that the game was "fantastic! Awesome! Must-have!", did I? Did you even read the preview? Maybe you missed this:



You do understand what subtext is, don't you?

There is no way for me or any reviewer to accurately predict what a game will be like when it is released in March 2010, based on a beta from late 2009. I could have said, "Oh, based on this beta, the game will be a disaster!" but I could have very easily been flat wrong, and in any case, not very responsible.

Does that answer your question?
Neal

It's my fault--yes, I read your PREVIEW completely and I could tell some things were amiss, but to what degree was my real question. The only way to find out was to purchase the digital download and see for myself.

It came as a BOMBSHELL when I ran my first historical engagement. Attempted to tap a few good well known short cut keys (SH4) and NOTHING WORKED. Now panicked, I went straight to the F keys in hopes of jumping right into a few stations, and as you might have guessed, that didn't work either.

Was guessing/hoping that maybe someone from the dev team read your preview and had FIXED all that stuff for the final release. So it appears I got the same thing you did--a big surprise.

My main concern was why you didn't have a complete breakdown like me and raise the ALARM as it is justified here. DRM aside, we needed a functioning boat, not some cheesy pretty graphic slide show.

To sum it up: SH4 meets PS3 = SH5

I am NOT blaming you 100% Neal for my dissatisfaction. You did your job and you raised some good points, but had it been me writing the preview, I would have clearly stated that the next release is a clear deviation from previous games which has me quite concerned at this point, and should be redeveloped from the ground up to give us everything we had in SH3/4 and more.

Isn't that the whole point of continuing a great game? Give us the same plus more. I think the devs would have really listened to you had you demanded it. Didn't you have a ton of influence in the creation of SH4? If I recall, it was delayed a few times because you had concerns in it's development and what the SIM COMMUNITY wanted (?). Why didn't you do that with SH5 or did they, like you said, have a "black out" with details?

Your REviews are great and it will be interesting to read your final REVIEW of SH5.

[John Channing]

So you didn't read the manual, didn't press F1 to check out the key assignments, didn't do any preperation at all before jumping right in and then got mad because what you had assumed was incorrect?




Got it.

Stupid Ubisoft for not making it the way you thought it should be.

JCC

[Safe-Keeper]

Didn't you have a ton of influence in the creation of SH4? If I recall, it was delayed a few times because you had concerns in it's development and what the SIM COMMUNITY wanted (?). Why didn't you do that with SH5 or did they, like you said, have a "black out" with details?

Walking around inside the sub and/or having every compartment modelled is something a lot of people asked for after III and 4. Don't kid yourself.

[martin1004]

Just experienced a massive fail from DRM or whatever it's called. Since my Windows computer isn't connected to the internet and there's no way it will be anytime soon. Now I have SH5 but can't play it thanks to the brilliant new DRM idea

[sav112]

Originally Posted by John Channing

So you didn't read the manual, didn't press F1 to check out the key assignments, didn't do any preperation at all before jumping right in and then got mad because what you had assumed was incorrect?




Got it.

Stupid Ubisoft for not making it the way you thought it should be.

JCC

There was me thinking its was all the Bug's but yes Probably is the fact the controls have been done poorly in most experienced fans view. Right of you to pull the player up for his behaviour especially when the instruction book is an insight into submarine warfare for the second world war.
I think the player just found out the game plays pish.

[John Channing]

Originally Posted by sav112

There was me thinking its was all the Bug's but yes Probably is the fact the controls have been done poorly in most experienced fans view. Right of you to pull the player up for his behaviour especially when the instruction book is an insight into submarine warfare for the second world war.
I think the player just found out the game plays pish.

I guess I can understand where you are coming from. You obviously didn't read his initial complaints, or the second time he posted his complaints. I guess being informed on actual the topic would have cut into your posting time, so your lack of comprehension of the topic is completely understandable.

This "experienced fan's view" is that it is a good thing to read the manual... even that manual, before jumping in.

The lack of the same control structure identical to the previous iterations of the series is not actually a bug.

And what, exactly, has the fact that the manual points out which keys you need to be familiar with to play the game properly got to do with it's failure as "an insight into submarine warfare for the second world war."

The manual is pretty bad, even by post-SH1 standards, but a perusal of it would have solved the OP's problems.

JCC

[IanC]

[sarcasm] There you have it then. The OP made no valid points, it's all about him not reading the manual. He is stooopid, so is anybody who doesn't like SH5, stoopidz all of you.
You can close the thread now, case closed. [/sarcasm]

edit: yeah I better add sarcasm just in case you stoopidz don't get it

[Factor]

I bought a brand new car yesterday, a Toyota to replace my old Toyota. Got on the road from the dealership, it was raining. I went to turn on my wipers, the turn signal comes on. WTF! Tried the Cruise control, the head lights come on. WTF! Its all wrong! I think i might take the car back because all the controls are in the wrong place that i am used too! I do not know if i am smart enough to adapt to this new Toyota, and i refuse to read the dealer manual.

[John Channing]

Originally Posted by IanC

[sarcasm] There you have it then. The OP made no valid points, it's all about him not reading the manual. He is stooopid, so is anybody who doesn't like SH5, stoopidz all of you.
You can close the thread now, case closed. [/sarcasm]

edit: yeah I better add sarcasm just in case you stoopidz don't get it

No no no... let's leave it open. We haven't heard anyone restate the same complaints about SHV in almost 3 seconds...

JCC

[runyan99]

Get up
a git git git down
Silent Hunter 5
is a joke in your town

[sav112]

Originally Posted by John Channing

I guess I can understand where you are coming from. You obviously didn't read his initial complaints, or the second time he posted his complaints. I guess being informed on actual the topic would have cut into your posting time, so your lack of comprehension of the topic is completely understandable.

This "experienced fan's view" is that it is a good thing to read the manual... even that manual, before jumping in.

The lack of the same control structure identical to the previous iterations of the series is not actually a bug.

And what, exactly, has the fact that the manual points out which keys you need to be familiar with to play the game properly got to do with it's failure as "an insight into submarine warfare for the second world war."

The manual is pretty bad, even by post-SH1 standards, but a perusal of it would have solved the OP's problems.

JCC

The control structure has been documented well on here and the original post and his second I cant see if it stresses that he cant understand the new controls or he feels he has no control. And that understandable as there is a few threads detailing what players feel about this. Heading and Depth under keel, Compass, Clock etc.

Cant defend what does look like a rant be it the original post or your confused good self jumping to your own conclusions on other peoples behalf’s. I did read his post thank you and the reference to the Bugs was regarding his heading “This is a joke”

Never said anything about control changes being a bug, or that reading the manual was the experienced players view……I said the experience players on here said it looks to be poorly done.

As for the Manual, be nice to set the up the game, I used to love the old manuals Elite being a example but I guess its going the way there will be no boxed games just Downloads and this constant connection to the server bull if we just sit back and take it. Is it too much to ask for a Manual that also gives a wee bit of history and tell the story of the Sub war that your intending to enter. There was so many good Sub tactics used in the war heroic stories of the actions of these brave men that fought, not all new to the game will know this and I’d hate to think players set off on there missions with a “Tin can Ally” attitude

[Overboard]

Hey Hey Hey, SH5 Is not a joke!!, Cause the 50 bucks (usd) i begged out of my grilfrend to buy it could cost me dearly