The proposed health care bill thread (merged)

[Max2147]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Wait a minute "Central part of society" up till now healthcare has been my own private concearn.

Yea its soaking up nearly 20% of my income but Im covered, recieve good care, and no goverment involvement.

So I suppose with goverment health care it will soak up at least 20% of my income, recieve decent care (albeit if I can get it and dont have to wait months for it) being totally run by the federal goverment.

Frankly I prefer the former.

You can keep your private insurer. Nobody's forcing you to switch to the government plan.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Max2147

You can keep your private insurer. Nobody's forcing you to switch to the government plan.

Good and as long as I pay for my insurance, I should not be asked to pay into the Health Care insurance pool, either.

That's what's missing from this chart, most of the money will come from people who will not use the insurance.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Good and as long as I pay for my insurance, I should not be asked to pay into the Health Care insurance pool, either.

That's what's missing from this chart, most of the money will come from people who will not use the insurance.

Christ, could not agree more.

[Tchocky]

Same with most government goods, really.

Earn more, pay more.

Those who earn more tend not to use so many government services (state healthcare, public schools, social welfare) as those lower down on the pay scale, but proportionally more is paid by the rich.

THe government pays for almost half of the US health system already (I think around 45%, could be wrong). The situation seems to be that the US pays a lot more per capita for healthcare, without substantially better results than countries such as France or the Netherlands. Question is, is the current system optimal?

EDIT - and when you think about it, most people won't use insurance anyway. That's how it works. If only sick or likely-to-be-sick people were to take out insurance, the cost of premiums would skyrocket, leaving a lot of people out of the loop, likely to be sick and unable to get treatment. That to me is a strong (brief) argument for a public plan option.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

The situation seems to be that the US pays a lot more per capita for healthcare, without substantially better results than countries such as France or the Netherlands. Question is, is the current system optimal?

The Dutch system:

http://www.justlanded.com/english/Ne...lth/Healthcare

In the Netherlands, the government is not in charge of the day-to-day management of the healthcare system. Private health suppliers are responsible for the provision of services in this area. The government is responsible for the accessibility and quality of the healthcare.

[geetrue]

They really did leave something off of this chart ...

The illegal aliens ...

The border patrol will have to now ask everyone entering the United States if they have the mandatory insurance.

All international flight attendants will be required to ask, "Coffee, tea, milk, soda, mandatory health insurance ...

[geetrue]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

EDIT - and when you think about it, most people won't use insurance anyway. That's how it works. If only sick or likely-to-be-sick people were to take out insurance, the cost of premiums would skyrocket, leaving a lot of people out of the loop, likely to be sick and unable to get treatment. That to me is a strong (brief) argument for a public plan option.

Not true with company insurance ... I know many that get all of the benefits they have coming to them, like neck massages from looking at a computer screen all day (which is okay with me).

You are also forgetting dental insurance now that's something that should be mandatory

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by geetrue

Not true with company insurance ... I know many that get all of the benefits they have coming to them, like neck massages from looking at a computer screen all day (which is okay with me).

You are also forgetting dental insurance now that's something that should be mandatory

Good point Geetrue....just another government program to be exploited by those that know how to work the system. I know a few myself.

[VipertheSniper]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Good point Geetrue....just another government program to be exploited by those that know how to work the system. I know a few myself.

What are they gonna do? Get their teeth knocked out intentionally? Or are you speaking of the whole plan here?

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by VipertheSniper

What are they gonna do? Get their teeth knocked out intentionally? Or are you speaking of the whole plan here?

The whole plan. You will see an increase of people needing perscription pain medication. The Oxycotin folks. It happens now in the ER and now it will grow into a larger problem. I foresee fictious monetary compensation claims by doctors coming also. This happens already but will become worse as the government pencil pusher will just approve it. After all, it is good enough for government work.

[SUBMAN1]

I'm surprised Congress is able to produce such charts. I question their capability to do anything let alone produce a flowchart.

-S

[Steel_Tomb]

I think everyone is entitled to free health care, whoever and wherever they are. I think its sickening that you have to pay for health care over there to be honest. "I'm sorry Mrs Jones, but your son passed away on the operating table... that'll be $5000 please".

If your fortunate to be able to afford private insurance, great... good for you. But what about the poor sod and his family who has no job, lost there home and now one of them is suffering from a serious illness... you think its right for them to simply be left to suffer whilst the fortunate few get great care...

Its wrong... no matter how you morally try to justify it.

I think it would be an amazing achievement for the USA to create something resembling the NHS over here in the UK (just preferably one that works and is funded properly). The US has the money and the capability to make this work... and work very well... I will follow this with interest.

[Onkel Neal]

Entitled? No. Quite honestly, there's no future in that.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

That's what's missing from this chart, most of the money will come from people who will not use the insurance.

That's true for any insurance. Heck, it's what the whole idea of what insurance is. I don't see the problem here.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

That's true for any insurance. Heck, it's what the whole idea of what insurance is. I don't see the problem here.

In other words, if I am covering my family through my private insurer, I do not want the govt to pull more money from me to cover those who use the govt. health care plan. The govt health care plan should be funded by those who use it.