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SteamWake 07-15-09 12:11 PM

The proposed health care bill thread (merged)
 
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/h...preadsheet.jpg

:rotfl:

So sad this is true.

Tchocky 07-15-09 12:23 PM

Holy crap.


A national piece of legislation designed to rework the structure, funding, and purpose of a central element of society might actually be complex.

Here's a rather good description of what will and won't be going on under the proposed legislation.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr...s_health-.html

geetrue 07-15-09 12:34 PM

Where is China on that chart?

Shouldn't we consult with them on what to do with their money?

SteamWake 07-15-09 12:37 PM

Wait a minute "Central part of society" up till now healthcare has been my own private concearn.

Yea its soaking up nearly 20% of my income but Im covered, recieve good care, and no goverment involvement.

So I suppose with goverment health care it will soak up at least 20% of my income, recieve decent care (albeit if I can get it and dont have to wait months for it) being totally run by the federal goverment.

Frankly I prefer the former.

Max2147 07-15-09 12:37 PM

If you made a similar chart of the way the system is now, it would be just as complex.

All this really does is add another health insurer to the market. A person who chooses to not use the government system and who is outside the richest 1.5% that will be taxed won't see any changes.

SteamWake 07-15-09 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by geetrue (Post 1134649)
Where is China on that chart?

Shouldn't we consult with them on what to do with their money?

You silly, the money is going to come from the 'rich' :woot:

Max2147 07-15-09 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteamWake (Post 1134651)
Wait a minute "Central part of society" up till now healthcare has been my own private concearn.

Yea its soaking up nearly 20% of my income but Im covered, recieve good care, and no goverment involvement.

So I suppose with goverment health care it will soak up at least 20% of my income, recieve decent care (albeit if I can get it and dont have to wait months for it) being totally run by the federal goverment.

Frankly I prefer the former.

You can keep your private insurer. Nobody's forcing you to switch to the government plan.

OneToughHerring 07-15-09 12:39 PM

If that's real then it's actually kind of impressive from a visual representation point of view.

geetrue 07-15-09 12:41 PM

They should consider the way California offers you a choice on having car insurance, just prove you have $25,000 in the bank and you don't have to have proof of insurance.

But this health plan is mandatory with a penalty for people that don't comply.

Tchocky 07-15-09 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteamWake (Post 1134651)
Wait a minute "Central part of society" up till now healthcare has been my own private concearn.

Yea its soaking up nearly 20% of my income but Im covered, recieve good care, and no goverment involvement.

So I suppose with goverment health care it will soak up at least 20% of my income, recieve decent care (albeit if I can get it and dont have to wait months for it) being totally run by the federal goverment.

Frankly I prefer the former.

Healthcare is a central part of society. How a society chooses to treat it's sick and dying is important. This healthcare bill will change that in the US, it it passes.

If you can afford to spend 20% of your income on healthcare, and are happy with the results, then not much will change for you. Things will chaneg for those who are not as fortunate.

Max2147 07-15-09 12:43 PM

The more I look at the chart, the more amused I am with whoever made it.

Example: The arrow from HHS to States is "Federal Mandates for Website Design." OMG!!! Its teh sociallzim!

geetrue 07-15-09 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteamWake (Post 1134653)
You silly, the money is going to come from the 'rich' :woot:

Oh never mind ... I'll just go read my chain email lol

That must be where I got that idea ...:shucks:

Onkel Neal 07-15-09 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Max2147 (Post 1134654)
You can keep your private insurer. Nobody's forcing you to switch to the government plan.

Good and as long as I pay for my insurance, I should not be asked to pay into the Health Care insurance pool, either.

That's what's missing from this chart, most of the money will come from people who will not use the insurance. :nope:

AVGWarhawk 07-15-09 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens (Post 1134668)
Good and as long as I pay for my insurance, I should not be asked to pay into the Health Care insurance pool, either.

That's what's missing from this chart, most of the money will come from people who will not use the insurance. :nope:

Christ, could not agree more.

Tchocky 07-15-09 12:51 PM

Same with most government goods, really.

Earn more, pay more.

Those who earn more tend not to use so many government services (state healthcare, public schools, social welfare) as those lower down on the pay scale, but proportionally more is paid by the rich.

THe government pays for almost half of the US health system already (I think around 45%, could be wrong). The situation seems to be that the US pays a lot more per capita for healthcare, without substantially better results than countries such as France or the Netherlands. Question is, is the current system optimal?

EDIT - and when you think about it, most people won't use insurance anyway. That's how it works. If only sick or likely-to-be-sick people were to take out insurance, the cost of premiums would skyrocket, leaving a lot of people out of the loop, likely to be sick and unable to get treatment. That to me is a strong (brief) argument for a public plan option.


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