The proposed health care bill thread (merged)

SteamWake · 07-15-09, 12:11 PM

:rotfl:

So sad this is true.

Tchocky · 07-15-09, 12:23 PM

Holy crap.

A national piece of legislation designed to rework the structure, funding, and purpose of a central element of society might actually be complex.

Here's a rather good description of what will and won't be going on under the proposed legislation.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr...s_health-.html

geetrue · 07-15-09, 12:34 PM

Where is China on that chart?

Shouldn't we consult with them on what to do with their money?

SteamWake · 07-15-09, 12:37 PM

Wait a minute "Central part of society" up till now healthcare has been my own private concearn.

Yea its soaking up nearly 20% of my income but Im covered, recieve good care, and no goverment involvement.

So I suppose with goverment health care it will soak up at least 20% of my income, recieve decent care (albeit if I can get it and dont have to wait months for it) being totally run by the federal goverment.

Frankly I prefer the former.

Max2147 · 07-15-09, 12:37 PM

If you made a similar chart of the way the system is now, it would be just as complex.

All this really does is add another health insurer to the market. A person who chooses to not use the government system and who is outside the richest 1.5% that will be taxed won't see any changes.

SteamWake · 07-15-09, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by geetrue

Where is China on that chart?

Shouldn't we consult with them on what to do with their money?

You silly, the money is going to come from the 'rich'

Max2147 · 07-15-09, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Wait a minute "Central part of society" up till now healthcare has been my own private concearn.

Yea its soaking up nearly 20% of my income but Im covered, recieve good care, and no goverment involvement.

So I suppose with goverment health care it will soak up at least 20% of my income, recieve decent care (albeit if I can get it and dont have to wait months for it) being totally run by the federal goverment.

Frankly I prefer the former.

You can keep your private insurer. Nobody's forcing you to switch to the government plan.

07-15-09, 12:39 PM

If that's real then it's actually kind of impressive from a visual representation point of view.

geetrue · 07-15-09, 12:41 PM

They should consider the way California offers you a choice on having car insurance, just prove you have $25,000 in the bank and you don't have to have proof of insurance.

But this health plan is mandatory with a penalty for people that don't comply.

Tchocky · 07-15-09, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Wait a minute "Central part of society" up till now healthcare has been my own private concearn.

Yea its soaking up nearly 20% of my income but Im covered, recieve good care, and no goverment involvement.

So I suppose with goverment health care it will soak up at least 20% of my income, recieve decent care (albeit if I can get it and dont have to wait months for it) being totally run by the federal goverment.

Frankly I prefer the former.

Healthcare is a central part of society. How a society chooses to treat it's sick and dying is important. This healthcare bill will change that in the US, it it passes.

If you can afford to spend 20% of your income on healthcare, and are happy with the results, then not much will change for you. Things will chaneg for those who are not as fortunate.

Max2147 · 07-15-09, 12:43 PM

The more I look at the chart, the more amused I am with whoever made it.

Example: The arrow from HHS to States is "Federal Mandates for Website Design." OMG!!! Its teh sociallzim!

geetrue · 07-15-09, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteamWake

You silly, the money is going to come from the 'rich'

Oh never mind ... I'll just go read my chain email lol

That must be where I got that idea ...

Onkel Neal · 07-15-09, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Max2147

You can keep your private insurer. Nobody's forcing you to switch to the government plan.

Good and as long as I pay for my insurance, I should not be asked to pay into the Health Care insurance pool, either.

That's what's missing from this chart, most of the money will come from people who will not use the insurance.

AVGWarhawk · 07-15-09, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Good and as long as I pay for my insurance, I should not be asked to pay into the Health Care insurance pool, either.

That's what's missing from this chart, most of the money will come from people who will not use the insurance.

Christ, could not agree more.

Tchocky · 07-15-09, 12:51 PM

Same with most government goods, really.

Earn more, pay more.

Those who earn more tend not to use so many government services (state healthcare, public schools, social welfare) as those lower down on the pay scale, but proportionally more is paid by the rich.

THe government pays for almost half of the US health system already (I think around 45%, could be wrong). The situation seems to be that the US pays a lot more per capita for healthcare, without substantially better results than countries such as France or the Netherlands. Question is, is the current system optimal?

EDIT - and when you think about it, most people won't use insurance anyway. That's how it works. If only sick or likely-to-be-sick people were to take out insurance, the cost of premiums would skyrocket, leaving a lot of people out of the loop, likely to be sick and unable to get treatment. That to me is a strong (brief) argument for a public plan option.

07-15-09, 12:11 PM	#1
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	The proposed health care bill thread (merged) :rotfl: So sad this is true. __________________ Follow the progress of Mr. Mulligan : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147648

07-15-09, 12:23 PM	#2
Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,874 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Holy crap. A national piece of legislation designed to rework the structure, funding, and purpose of a central element of society might actually be complex. Here's a rather good description of what will and won't be going on under the proposed legislation. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr...s_health-.html __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

07-15-09, 12:34 PM	#3
geetrue Cold War Boomer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Walla Walla Posts: 2,837 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Where is China on that chart? Shouldn't we consult with them on what to do with their money? __________________

07-15-09, 12:37 PM	#4
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Wait a minute "Central part of society" up till now healthcare has been my own private concearn. Yea its soaking up nearly 20% of my income but Im covered, recieve good care, and no goverment involvement. So I suppose with goverment health care it will soak up at least 20% of my income, recieve decent care (albeit if I can get it and dont have to wait months for it) being totally run by the federal goverment. Frankly I prefer the former. __________________ Follow the progress of Mr. Mulligan : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147648

07-15-09, 12:41 PM	#9
geetrue Cold War Boomer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Walla Walla Posts: 2,837 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	They should consider the way California offers you a choice on having car insurance, just prove you have $25,000 in the bank and you don't have to have proof of insurance. But this health plan is mandatory with a penalty for people that don't comply. __________________

07-15-09, 12:37 PM	#5
Max2147 Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 714 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	If you made a similar chart of the way the system is now, it would be just as complex. All this really does is add another health insurer to the market. A person who chooses to not use the government system and who is outside the richest 1.5% that will be taxed won't see any changes.

07-15-09, 12:39 PM	#8
OneToughHerring Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	If that's real then it's actually kind of impressive from a visual representation point of view.

07-15-09, 12:43 PM	#11
Max2147 Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 714 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The more I look at the chart, the more amused I am with whoever made it. Example: The arrow from HHS to States is "Federal Mandates for Website Design." OMG!!! Its teh sociallzim!

07-15-09, 12:51 PM	#15
Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,874 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Same with most government goods, really. Earn more, pay more. Those who earn more tend not to use so many government services (state healthcare, public schools, social welfare) as those lower down on the pay scale, but proportionally more is paid by the rich. THe government pays for almost half of the US health system already (I think around 45%, could be wrong). The situation seems to be that the US pays a lot more per capita for healthcare, without substantially better results than countries such as France or the Netherlands. Question is, is the current system optimal? EDIT - and when you think about it, most people won't use insurance anyway. That's how it works. If only sick or likely-to-be-sick people were to take out insurance, the cost of premiums would skyrocket, leaving a lot of people out of the loop, likely to be sick and unable to get treatment. That to me is a strong (brief) argument for a public plan option. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]