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![]() I hear a lot of comparisons to this or that country. But I'm not sure if people are keeping in mind that the U.S. is the same size and has about half the population of all of Europe. We are also very likely the most diverse nation on the planet ... and unfortunately one of the most divided. I too have my opinions about what the root causes of the problem are. But, you know what they say about opinions. Regardless, the guns in the U.S. aren't going anywhere anytime soon. There are almost enough guns here for every man, woman and child to have one. And no matter what law is passed, many ordinary citizens will refuse to turn in their guns. After all, private gun ownership is one of the founding principles of this nation. And for good reason. I sometimes hear people say things like "Do you really think the American people could successfully fight against the most powerful military in the world if it came to that?" Well, I suppose those people weren't paying attention in history class. ![]() Then there's the people who you wouldn't want owning guns in the first place ... ![]()
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In the modern world it stacks up a bit more like this: ![]() I am not making any stance on the US gun laws here, just refuting any pretext that people with semi-automatic weapons could actually rise up against the US Military today. |
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You must have missed some more recent history ![]() ...and you have to ask yourself which part of the U.S. population do most of those volunteers come from? ...and would they fire on their own kind? Probably why so much ammo was bought for the organizations within the deep state under Obama. Not that the military isn't sort of a deep state unto itself. The rest of the civilized world who are mostly free because of U.S. involvement really can't understand. You've got someone to fall back on when tyrants strike. Now the "other" side in the USA has been trying to turn our kids into Europeans for the last four decades. They've been doing a pretty good job of it, but I think you'll have to wait til the boomers are all buried at least before the guns are confiscated. Losing the greatest generation has been truly terrible for the USA. It's like most of the common sense walked out the door never to return.
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Not to mention the fact that the "U.S. Government" as portrayed in the lower picture is not going to come to anyone's house to try to take their guns, or anything else.
@em2nought: I like your picture. I was there, on behalf of that same "U.S. Government." The same would also be true of the Afghanis, or the French Resistance, or any other "civilian" who has taken on an entire government and made them think twice about what they were doing.
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I find that specifics and logistics tend to derail the whole "They're gonna take our guns!!" hysteria. I still have not found anyone spouting the NRA party line who can tell me exactly how the government is going to accomplish a mass confiscation of guns in this country. To be effective or have any success, it would require a near simultaneous action across the entire nation with the attendant logistical planning, manning and support and would require a level of secrecy far beyond the means of the government; I mean, if you can't hide Trump eats cheeseburgers in the bathroom from the press and the public, how would they ever be able to conceal the planning, organization, and execution of a mass confiscation? Anyone out there able to supply a plausible scenario?... ...Class, class...Bueller?... <O>
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I would like to offer up two recent case studies -- Afghanistan and Iraq as examples of how effective well motivated citizens can be while equipped with simple firearms when against a powerful military such as the US.
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Here in Canada for example smoking cigarettes is practically outlawed. You can smoke but the Government has made it very hard and embarrassing if you do. Tobacco products cannot be displayed in stores, pharmacies cannot sell tobacco products, you can't smoke near the entrance of a public building, in a restaurant or bar etc. These draconian measures (if you're a smoker) did not happen over night. It took a while and there was lots of push back. And the Gov't is not done. None of it would have happened if it was attempted all at once. And that in my opinion would be the plan if you want to do anything similar. Small steps over a long period of time.
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Huge (or, if you prefer, "Yuuuge!!") difference is the rigt to bear arms is in the US Constitution and any actual effort to fully implement a full confiscation would be a Federal criminal act and even an attempt to do a "dirbs and drabs" approach would be so time consuming, expensive and telegraphed as to be useless; the court challenges as the 'process' played out alone would tie up every thing for so long the sun would probably extinguish before all the guns were collected. And any thought of an abolishing of the 2nd Amendment is a non-starter: the 2nd is part of the Bill Of Rights, a vital portion of the Constitution so sacrosanct as to be beyond touch... Now, I am basing this on the presumption cigarette smoking is not guaranteed by the Canadian Constitution as a specific fundamental right, but I could be wrong: Canadians are such strange creatures... ...polite, yet strange... ![]() <O>
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..and I didn't say you made such a suggestion nor did I mean to imply the gun lobby condoned an abolishing; what I was saying is the 2nd, as part of the Bill Of Rights is so much a part of the American fabric as to be beyond touch, making the arguments and claims about massive governmental seizure of guns pure fantasy and seems to be only a ruse by the NRA, gun manufacturers, and certain political interests to keep up a dwindling membership and political base. And the idea of a totalitarian government ever holding sway in the US is equally as far-fetched; with a free press, social media, and other means, the ability for any party, group or individual to achieve a totalitarian hold on the government is pretty impossible; even Trump, who seems to have "banana republic" tendencies can't get away with anything with all the coverage and analysis of his actions. The truth is its not the 2nd that is the best defense of America: it is the First Amendment since without the free flow of information, the chance of something like a repeal of the 2nd would very much greatly increase; knowing what the government is up to is the best defense against the government accruing too much power; if they are 'going to come for your guns', it will only succeed because you won't know they're coming... There is a reason the First Amendment is in that lofty position: the Founding Fathers knew what was most important to preserve all that followed in the document - the ability of Americans to keep an eye on the workings of their leaders, the right to voice their concerns, and the protections of the free flow of information and ideas. Tyranny and oppression only thrive in the dark vacuum of silence and deception... <O>
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I never said the government wouldn't try to take guns away here. I was addressing the picture as posted. The point of the picture was that a man with a gun stands no chance against the Navy or the Air Force. My point was that the government isn't likely to send the Navy or the Air Force to attack my neighborhood. That is why I praised em2nought's picture. We sent the might of the US Air Force and Navy against the Vietnamese. Guess who won?
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