10 Dead in Santa Fe, Texas, School Shooting. Student shooter in custody.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by sober

Coming from a country with good gun laws i can say that restricting high powered guns works . Americans are in denial if they think restricting high powered guns from the general public wouldnt work .
The american government should print money and buy back the high powered guns at a fair price . Imagine all that money in the economy .
My two cents .

It would be nice if things worked like that, but they don't always do.

One can't take policy that may have worked in one country, one culture,, one people, one location, and under one set of circumstances and expect it to apply equally to a different country, culture, people, location and circumstances.

There needs to be a solution that works with the American country, culture, people, locations, and our set of circumstances. What that solution is, is currently unknown. I know what my opinions are of the solution but then so does everyone else have their opinions.

It will not be an easy problem to solve and that is, of course, assuming that the problem can be solved. With an apology to Samuel Johnson, not all problems have acceptable solutions.

[Sean C]

Originally Posted by Platapus

It would be nice if things worked like that, but they don't always do.

One can't take policy that may have worked in one country, one culture,, one people, one location, and under one set of circumstances and expect it to apply equally to a different country, culture, people, location and circumstances.

There needs to be a solution that works with the American country, culture, people, locations, and our set of circumstances. What that solution is, is currently unknown. I know what my opinions are of the solution but then so does everyone else have their opinions.

It will not be an easy problem to solve and that is, of course, assuming that the problem can be solved. With an apology to Samuel Johnson, not all problems have acceptable solutions.

I hear a lot of comparisons to this or that country. But I'm not sure if people are keeping in mind that the U.S. is the same size and has about half the population of all of Europe. We are also very likely the most diverse nation on the planet ... and unfortunately one of the most divided.


I too have my opinions about what the root causes of the problem are. But, you know what they say about opinions.


Regardless, the guns in the U.S. aren't going anywhere anytime soon. There are almost enough guns here for every man, woman and child to have one. And no matter what law is passed, many ordinary citizens will refuse to turn in their guns. After all, private gun ownership is one of the founding principles of this nation. And for good reason. I sometimes hear people say things like "Do you really think the American people could successfully fight against the most powerful military in the world if it came to that?" Well, I suppose those people weren't paying attention in history class.



Then there's the people who you wouldn't want owning guns in the first place ...

[Highbury]

Originally Posted by Nathaniel B.

After all, private gun ownership is one of the founding principles of this nation. And for good reason. I sometimes hear people say things like "Do you really think the American people could successfully fight against the most powerful military in the world if it came to that?" Well, I suppose those people weren't paying attention in history class.

I paid attention in history class, and I seem to recall that it was people with muskets and cannon fighting against people with muskets and cannon.

In the modern world it stacks up a bit more like this:



I am not making any stance on the US gun laws here, just refuting any pretext that people with semi-automatic weapons could actually rise up against the US Military today.

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by Highbury

I paid attention in history class

refuting any pretext that people with semi-automatic weapons could actually rise up against the US Military today.

You must have missed some more recent history

...and you have to ask yourself which part of the U.S. population do most of those volunteers come from? ...and would they fire on their own kind? Probably why so much ammo was bought for the organizations within the deep state under Obama. Not that the military isn't sort of a deep state unto itself. The rest of the civilized world who are mostly free because of U.S. involvement really can't understand. You've got someone to fall back on when tyrants strike. Now the "other" side in the USA has been trying to turn our kids into Europeans for the last four decades. They've been doing a pretty good job of it, but I think you'll have to wait til the boomers are all buried at least before the guns are confiscated. Losing the greatest generation has been truly terrible for the USA. It's like most of the common sense walked out the door never to return.

[Sailor Steve]

Not to mention the fact that the "U.S. Government" as portrayed in the lower picture is not going to come to anyone's house to try to take their guns, or anything else.

@em2nought: I like your picture. I was there, on behalf of that same "U.S. Government." The same would also be true of the Afghanis, or the French Resistance, or any other "civilian" who has taken on an entire government and made them think twice about what they were doing.

[Highbury]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Not to mention the fact that the "U.S. Government" as portrayed in the lower picture is not going to come to anyone's house to try to take their guns, or anything else.

Well then as long as you are all happy I am too. I know my kids will survive school.

[THE_MASK]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Not to mention the fact that the "U.S. Government" as portrayed in the lower picture is not going to come to anyone's house to try to take their guns, or anything else.

@em2nought: I like your picture. I was there, on behalf of that same "U.S. Government." The same would also be true of the Afghanis, or the French Resistance, or any other "civilian" who has taken on an entire government and made them think twice about what they were doing.

It doesnt work like that here in Oz . There was a gun amnesty and buy back . After the amnesty ended it became an offence to posses prohibited guns . If police in there normal operations found prohibited guns then they would prosecute . Nonsense if you think the authorities would raid houses looking for guns . Just silly .

[vienna]

Originally Posted by sober

It doesnt work like that here in Oz . There was a gun amnesty and buy back . After the amnesty ended it became an offence to posses prohibited guns . If police in there normal operations found prohibited guns then they would prosecute . Nonsense if you think the authorities would raid houses looking for guns . Just silly .

I find that specifics and logistics tend to derail the whole "They're gonna take our guns!!" hysteria. I still have not found anyone spouting the NRA party line who can tell me exactly how the government is going to accomplish a mass confiscation of guns in this country. To be effective or have any success, it would require a near simultaneous action across the entire nation with the attendant logistical planning, manning and support and would require a level of secrecy far beyond the means of the government; I mean, if you can't hide Trump eats cheeseburgers in the bathroom from the press and the public, how would they ever be able to conceal the planning, organization, and execution of a mass confiscation? Anyone out there able to supply a plausible scenario?...


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[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Highbury

Well then as long as you are all happy I am too. I know my kids will survive school.

I didn't say I was happy. I only addressed one point.

Originally Posted by sober

Nonsense if you think the authorities would raid houses looking for guns . Just silly .

I never said the government wouldn't try to take guns away here. I was addressing the picture as posted. The point of the picture was that a man with a gun stands no chance against the Navy or the Air Force. My point was that the government isn't likely to send the Navy or the Air Force to attack my neighborhood. That is why I praised em2nought's picture. We sent the might of the US Air Force and Navy against the Vietnamese. Guess who won?

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

@em2nought: I like your picture. I was there, on behalf of that same "U.S. Government." The same would also be true of the Afghanis, or the French Resistance, or any other "civilian" who has taken on an entire government and made them think twice about what they were doing.

WELL GUESS WHERE THEY THAT LEARNED FROM: NOW IF WE COULD JUST REMEMBER WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE THE GOOD GUYS.....