Emperor to sign UN Arms Treaty while Congress in recess?

[vienna]

OMG, Your right Vienna.....What was I thinking......Ever since Oprah Winfrey stopped telling us what to do, I have been so lost.

Maybe you could turn to Dr. Phil for advice and counsel...







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[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by donna52522

I am not a big fan of forced conformity.

Not forced. He can believe, and say, what he wants. I'm just trying to help him not be a laughingstock anymore.

[donna52522]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Not forced. He can believe, and say, what he wants. I'm just trying to help him not be a laughingstock anymore.

Well if you are trying to defend anyone, making them feel like an a** doesn't seem like the proper way to go about it.

And "He can believe and say what he wants." Can be said without two commas. I know you like to correct others about that.

Lets just drop it.

[Platapus]

Wise words. If no one replies to his posts, they will just be pushed back to the second page.

[Tchocky]

To drop into something that doesn't concern me - Steve* attempting to tip Bubbles away from the land of dreams is nothing new, he has a lot more patience than he should at this point.

* overfamiliar use of first name hopefully excused

-Paddy

[Tchocky]

Edited.

Er, whatever. Carry on.

[Bubblehead1980]

Steve, you admit you agree with me often but you just don't like the way I say things.Well, I could word things differently but I don't believe in that, I type what I feel.I have to temper myself enough in academic settings, and even around certain friends.There are times I "go off" and say things as I feel the.The Emperor is a piece of garbage and this treaty is yet another danger as it will be used as a tool to further erode the Second Amendment.This is how I feel and the evidence is there.I appreciate your usual comments are not insults but more you dislike my tone or how I say it while several others who hold supportive views of the emperor and his ilk use the old tactic of ignore, belittle, marginalize instead of offering a response to my remarks..The style I have in debating etc is confrontational, very and perhaps it works better in person than an online forum but it's how I operate.I will attempt to tone it down slightly and see but feel you often single me out and allow insults to fly my way.

Basically, a lot of people in here are supportive of dear leader and dislike my remarks about him, I get it.I'll attempt to tone it down and see how it works.I assure you, they will continue to act the same.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by donna52522

I believe he only started a thread in GT to express something that was on his mind. I don't think anyone is being forced to view it, agree to it, or respond to it.

Uh, yeah. That's kind of my whole point. I don't see why people dignify rants with a response.

[Tchocky]

I've had just about enough of you, mookie

This is how I feel and the evidence is there.I appreciate your usual comments are not insults but more you dislike my tone or how I say it while several others who hold supportive views of the emperor and his ilk use the old tactic of ignore, belittle, marginalize instead of offering a response to my remarks..

Your remarks are rubbish and your "evidence" is trash, it has easily been shown to be so right from page 1
A resident "right winger" also supplied all the relevant evidence which proves you are talking nonsense and that your claims about responses are utterly false
You marginalize yourself by carrying on with the same nonsense and ignoring the evidence provided.
Simple isn't it.
It isn't how you say it, its the nonsense that you say.

Basically, a lot of people in here are supportive of dear leader

Hey Bubbles, it is you who is taking the same stance as the dear leader in this topic

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by donna52522

Well if you are trying to defend anyone, making them feel like an a** doesn't seem like the proper way to go about it.

I'm not trying to defend him. I'm trying to show him that calling people names alienates people he could be convincing and makes others who agree with him look bad.

And "He can believe and say what he wants." Can be said without two commas. I know you like to correct others about that.

Yes it can. It depends on the point you're trying to make. My point was to emphasize them separately.

Lets just drop it.

You want to make your comments and not have them answered? What was that about conforming?

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Steve, you admit you agree with me often but you just don't like the way I say things.

Again you miss the point entirely. You call people names as if it is fact, when it's only your opinion. That's the big difference. What you feel about him personally has nothing to do with debating what he's doing. The latter helps people understand what you're trying to say, the former makes you look like the fringe folks

The Emperor is a piece of garbage

In your opinion. Do you have facts to support that? Is he truly acting like an emperor? Can you show specifics that are more than just opinion? The second phrase, "a piece of gargage", is libel. Of course since this isn't "official" print, it may be slander. Whichever it may be, it is still just your opinion. Stating it as fact once again makes you look like you're incapable of forming a rational argument, so you have to stoop to calling people names.

The object of a debate, outside of my usual Joubert quote, is to show why you're right and the other side is wrong. Name-calling is not debate. It's also not reason or logic. You often accuse the Liberals of using neither, but you need to show that you can actually use them yourself. Much of the time your "arguments" are nothing more than diatribe, which also has nothing to do with reason, logic or debate.

and this treaty is yet another danger as it will be used as a tool to further erode the Second Amendment.This is how I feel and the evidence is there.

That's an actual topic. You need to show facts that support your claim, but at least it's a claim.

the emperor and his ilk

There you fall into the simplistic habit of insult again. Demeaning words don't help your argument at all. They negativize it.

use the old tactic of ignore, belittle, marginalize instead of offering a response to my remarks..

Yet you don't seem to notice that you use the exact same tactics. How does that make you any better than them?

The style I have in debating etc is confrontational, very and perhaps it works better in person than an online forum but it's how I operate.I will attempt to tone it down slightly and see but feel you often single me out and allow insults to fly my way.

It's hard for you to talk about others insulting you when you do it first. No, you don't mention specific people, but you use phrases like "and his ilk", painting all Liberals with a very broad brush. That type of attack is no different than naming names. You may not notice that the people who insult you don't do it to others who believe the same as you do, but argue with them in a more respectful fashion. Well, some do, but you may notice that they do recieve negative attention from me when they do. Most of the negativism that comes your way is based on two things. First, the general superior tone and attacks on people rather than policies. Second is the fact that often you make claims but don't back them up with actual facts. That is also a part of debate.

Basically, a lot of people in here are supportive of dear leader and dislike my remarks about him

Most of the comments against you come from people who are more conservative than liberal. If you bothered to look you would also see that the small handful of Liberals here have actual debates with the Conservatives, and don't treat them the way they do you. This is not because you are more correct than the others, nor is it because you're more feisty. It's because you make a lot of claims that you don't back up well, and it's because you come across as arrogant without anything to support that attitude. Being dismissive and calling names does not make you look intelligent; in fact quite the opposite.

I get it.I'll attempt to tone it down and see how it works.I assure you, they will continue to act the same.

Some will, certainly. That's their loss. Others may surprise you.

We'll see.

[donna52522]

Sailor Steve,

I am a moderator in several groups in other forums.

I consider my job in those forums to keep language decent, as they are all age forums. I do not pick sides (become bias) to what the people say in those forums. I only step in and delete foul things, or when they become offensive to other members. In most forums we give three strikes. Many of the younger members test that and are quickly banned.

Now I don't know what kind of deal you have with Mr. Stevens, but if you wish me to leave just say so. I will go..and I will go quietly. I have no problems with this group or it's founder, in fact I love this site. But what I don't need is to know that every time I post Sailor Steve is going to pick my post apart and try to make me feel like a jerk for expressing my opinion.

D.

[Tchocky]

The only "picking apart" that I can see going on in this thread is a reaction to the first post.

In which case it is entirely merited. Bubblehead is neither especially young nor especially new, and his posting habits go well beyond any sort of "3 strikes" rule - if he were infringing any house rules. Which he isn't doing here and doesn't do.

There's no persecution or I think unfairness here. Neither is there anyone who looks like a jerk who didn't already. I'd say that making a personal jibe at a users grammatical sensitivities, then in the same post declaring that matter closed may come across as prickly. But nobody's a jerk.

Again, it's a discussion forum.

The argument that "nobody is obliged to respond" is sort of meaningless when applied to a discussion forum. The topic was posted to bring out a response. That the response isn't too favourable to Bubblehead1980 is neither here nor there.


Nobody needs a special deal with the site owner (by the way - huh?) in order to see that Bubblehead1980 could use some advice on how to get a point across. And I don't know where you're getting the idea that anybody wants you to leave either - every post you've made here has been responded to. Discussion.

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by donna52522

but if you wish me to leave just say so. I will go..and I will go quietly.

Hey, I've never posted in response to you before, but see that thing underneath your avatar? That badge saying that you're the best of Subsim? That, to me, marks you out as an essential member of the community. If you leave, I'm sure that many people will be sad. Don't worry about Steve, that's just what he does. I've never seen him being mean to anybody. He picked apart most of my posts back in he day, and while I thought he was just being mean, it wasn't actually, and I learnt a lot from it.

Happy Hunting ma'am