Emperor to sign UN Arms Treaty while Congress in recess? - Page 5

CaptainHaplo · 08-14-13, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Not being trolled, you simply never have an argument or a point, you make a smart comment or insult me.You shill for the left and accuse me of being a right wing so and so when I am not talking just about the left, I am talking about those, that are on both "sides" who seek to push garbage like this treaty upon us.

Sadly - when your challenged to back up your assertions by others on the right - like myself, and you fail to do so - you demonstrate you are just as much of a "shill" for your "side" as anyone else.

Its one thing to have an "argument or a point" - its another to misrepresent the truth to make your "point" - which is what you have done. It is this fact, along with a perceived history of doing so - that makes people not take you seriously.

donna52522 · 08-14-13, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

I have no idea how Bub's posts gain the traction that they do. The whole forum is being trolled and I don't know why people feed it.

I believe he only started a thread in GT to express something that was on his mind. I don't think anyone is being forced to view it, agree to it, or respond to it.

Bubblehead1980 · 08-14-13, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Betonov

That's the problem. As long as the media is feeding you the same ''we're the beacon of liberty'' that you actually were at the beginning of the 20th century, the masses will believe that. And when the masses believe they're free, more and more can be taken away.
Like being driven in a windowless car and being told no-one is overtaking you while cars pass you all the time.
Wake up people, a backwater balkan state has more liberty

First of all, I do not believe this because of anything the media says. I made the "last bastion" remark as when look over it, our country seems to be the last one the truly values individual rights as opposed to that of the collective. Really, we no longer enjoy the liberties we once did but that is through the slow efforts to bring us in line with the rest of the world, but not for the better. Sorry, but firearms are a symbol of and a means to maintain liberty. This is why the Hitler, Mao types seek to disarm the population, no real means to fight back.. Do I believe obama etc want to mass murder millions of dissenters? no.However, they would love a disarmed populace, a lot easier to push their radical agendas and use force that way.Understand how these people think, they are marxist revolutionaries at heart, this is their drive.They use the tactics of exploiting the ignorant masses by telling them they are oppressed etc and will have better if they just given them control.They promise healthcare, etc and sadly, to a large part of our population, they just don't understand the history behind these people, they don't understand what makes them tick.They in a naive way, think they have only noble intentions.They do not understand the dark nature of the philosophy these people live by.

The US as it stands now is not the bastion of liberty it once was yet in some ways it is, but this is part of our downfall, we are so open to differing views, people etc, we have, over time, been infiltrated, dangerous political philosophies have been allowed to spread like a cancer and it has nearly killed us. This is the downside the first amendment etc but better to have this small downside than none of the benefits we have enjoyed for so long.

mookiemookie · 08-14-13, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Not being trolled, you simply never have an argument or a point, you make a smart comment or insult me.You shill for the left and accuse me of being a right wing so and so when I am not talking just about the left, I am talking about those, that are on both "sides" who seek to push garbage like this treaty upon us.

You've shown a complete and utter disregard for logical and open minded debate based on fact and reason. To try and engage you in one is pointless.

08-14-13, 10:21 AM

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Frankly, I dont understand this whole 6-4 month period of paranoia on that side
of the pond.

Time to make it 3 mentions of N. Korea just to hammer home the point for the fearmongers and what they are wanting.
Its easy to explain Dowly
The Democratic Republic of the people has only one party, that's why all the nuts with a voice make their sound from that one direction.
Many other countries have semi viable many multiple party systems, the nuts join the fringe parties so their voice tends to come from the lunatic fringe and the sound gets easily identified a treated for what it is.
The US has what is essentially a two party system, the nuts attach themselves to those two parties and the propaganda machine of those parties make the voice of the loony fringe heard because they want to court the support no matter how crazy the supporters are or how irrational their fearmongering is.

Ducimus · 08-14-13, 11:04 AM

In reference to the few posts citing Paranoia is just being paranoid. All i can say is that I wish I too could dismiss things like the IRS scandal, the NSA surveillance on everyone scandal, the fast and furious scandal, the bengazi scandal, the patriot act and the NDAA, various local stories that range from unreasonable searches to swat teams knocking on innocent peoples front door, not to mention this years attempt to undermine the second amendment.... I wish i could dismiss all that as paranoia too. I really do.

As an aside, it occurs to me, if we didn't have term limits to give us the illusion that we the people are still in charge, metaphorically speaking, the pot of boiling water that is this country, would be violently boiling over given enough time.

08-14-13, 11:27 AM

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In reference to the few posts citing Paranoia is just being paranoid. All i can say is that I wish I too could dismiss things like the IRS scandal, the NSA surveillance on everyone scandal, the fast and furious scandal, the bengazi scandal, the patriot act and the NDAA, various local stories that range from unreasonable searches to swat teams knocking on innocent peoples front door, not to mention this years attempt to undermine the second amendment.... I wish i could dismiss all that as paranoia too. I really do.

There is no problem dealing with these "scandals" for what they are.
The problems arises when people treat them as the "scandals" the lunatic fringe claim they are.
This current topic being a prime example.

Sailor Steve · 08-14-13, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by donna52522

I believe he only started a thread in GT to express something that was on his mind. I don't think anyone is being forced to view it, agree to it, or respond to it.

You've apparently missed the hundreds of times I've quoted the same phrase to him: It's not what you say, it's how you say it. Many of us agree with his assessments, up to a point anyway. It's when he stoops to the single-minded (and simple-minded) tactic of calling anyone on the other side names ("Emperor", "piece of crap") that he garners derision. After all the time he's been here he still hasn't figured out that there is a way to discuss things without making yourself look, let's see, "limited".

donna52522 · 08-14-13, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

You've apparently missed the hundreds of times I've quoted the same phrase to him: It's not what you say, it's how you say it. Many of us agree with his assessments, up to a point anyway. It's when he stoops to the single-minded (and simple-minded) tactic of calling anyone on the other side names ("Emperor", "piece of crap") that he garners derision. After all the time he's been here he still hasn't figured out that there is a way to discuss things without making yourself look, let's see, "limited".

I wasn't talking about what was said, or how it was said. I was saying everyone has the choice to bypass or ignore it.

Ducimus · 08-14-13, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by donna52522

I wasn't talking about what was said, or how it was said. I was saying everyone has the choice to bypass or ignore it.

True. My initial post was more along the lines of "Yeah, I hear what your saying, though its not the end of the world just yet, and by the way you really need to be careful with your wording", to go along with what steve was saying.

Ordinary, for the most part I ignore threads started in this manner, but It's happened so often now, I figured, "oh what the hell".

Sailor Steve · 08-14-13, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by donna52522

I wasn't talking about what was said, or how it was said. I was saying everyone has the choice to bypass or ignore it.

Sure, if everybody ignored him he might get the message.

I don't know about the others, but my goal is to try to turn him into a responsible and worthwhile poster. I always have hope.

Ducimus · 08-14-13, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I don't know about the others, but my goal is to try to turn him into a responsible and worthwhile poster. I always have hope.

There's a quote or old saying applicable here. I think it goes something like, "Don't try and change a person. You'll only make an enemy of them." or words to that effect.

donna52522 · 08-14-13, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Sure, if everybody ignored him he might get the message.

I don't know about the others, but my goal is to try to turn him into a responsible and worthwhile poster. I always have hope.

I am not a big fan of forced conformity.

vienna · 08-14-13, 04:24 PM

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I am not a big fan of forced conformity.

You stop that right now and act like the other normal people!...

<O>

donna52522 · 08-14-13, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by vienna

You stop that right now and act like the other normal people!...

<O>

OMG! Your right Vienna.....What was I thinking......Ever since Oprah Winfrey stopped telling us what to do, I have been so lost.

Fight nice children.

08-14-13, 11:04 AM	#66
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	In reference to the few posts citing Paranoia is just being paranoid. All i can say is that I wish I too could dismiss things like the IRS scandal, the NSA surveillance on everyone scandal, the fast and furious scandal, the bengazi scandal, the patriot act and the NDAA, various local stories that range from unreasonable searches to swat teams knocking on innocent peoples front door, not to mention this years attempt to undermine the second amendment.... I wish i could dismiss all that as paranoia too. I really do. As an aside, it occurs to me, if we didn't have term limits to give us the illusion that we the people are still in charge, metaphorically speaking, the pot of boiling water that is this country, would be violently boiling over given enough time.