If you dont like the online DRM...

[guynoir]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

Sad really.

perhaps ubisoft should just abort? forget about the project?

You can go ahead and call me "Ubisoft" because I'm about this close || to doing what you suggested...

My uncle won't be able to make that choice since he's stuck with a terrible modem connection out in the country... Ubi made it for him.

[piri_reis]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

So those without internet connection then... I guess nobody will be travelling back to 1984 and playing SHV... bummer

-People who have a connection paid per hour (dialup, some broadband services etc). If you play your weekly 5 hours of SH5 it's going to raise the bill significantly.

People still do this???

Dude get back down to earth. There are people out there:

Without Internet connection, people that get services w/ quota.
And there are people that want to play the game without needing a connection. (Out at a summer house, on the road, at a coffee shop where there is paid internet, etc..)

[TDK1044]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

Im one of those people who doesnt wish to be attached to the internet when i play in career mode either.

Dont get me wrong, im not all "feel good" about the DRM myself... but i think it is Much Ado About Nothing, and i think that for the most part, players wont even realize its active.

its just a sea of endless complaints - and i find it highly unlikely that ubi is going to change course based on our desires and demands.

You make some valid points, GR. Ironically, I think the biggest hit will be felt right here. These are not "I'm taking my ball and going home" cries we're hearing here. Many members will not purchase Silent Hunter V. If a few of the more experienced modders are among those choosing not to purchase, then the effect here will be noticable.

You'll see the same level of discontent at the Ubi Forum and others.

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

Im one of those people who doesnt wish to be attached to the internet when i play in career mode either.

Dont get me wrong, im not all "feel good" about the DRM myself... but i think it is Much Ado About Nothing, and i think that for the most part, players wont even realize its active.

its just a sea of endless complaints - and i find it highly unlikely that ubi is going to change course based on our desires and demands.

Nop. This is a high time for UBI to open their eyes and ears and listen what subsim lovers are asking for.As you know popularity of submarine simulations aren't that high but it seems they just keep pushing it to make it even smaller ? If they think DRM will protect their software from piracy they are so damned wrong.. Show me at least one protected game that wasn't cracked ? Ppl aren't braindead and they will always find solutions to avoid unnecessary procedures that makes entertainment so complicated or unacceptable from their POW. Simple as that, f.e. motivate me. why should I waste my money, then time registering my account then having headaches if my internet connection is lost or subsim server is down when I was about to attack the convoy if instead I can find a "light" version in the web to download and have no disruptions when I least want them ?

[GoldenRivet]

I completely understand all of the frustrations, really i do.

However, i fail to see what complaining will really do for you besides maybe raise your blood pressure.

Ubi is NOT your friend.

Ubi is a corporation out to make money

dont be delusional about it.

If Ubisoft decides this is the best way for them to protect their bottom line, they have had hundreds of meetings about it before any announcment was ever made... thats the choice they have made, if you chose not to buy the game, all good and well, i have yet to make up my mind as there are no accurate and available reviews of the game... however, stinking up the place is not going to help either way

thats the whole point im trying to make

[SteamWake]

Announcement.. heh... more like the cat slipped out of the bag

[ParaB]

You seem to ignore the fact that massive consumer protest in the past HAS actually led major publishers to re-think their DRM policies. You are, of course, free to go into surrender mode () but you might also consider that protest (as in protesting with your wallet) CAN actually change the way you, as a customer, are treated.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

Does the service, by itself, cost anything (per month, etc)?

It's funny, but on this one I actually go beyond the obvious in the other direction. Rockin Robbins noted in the big DRM thread that the future of this could include Pay-For-Service, but the service could include updates, additional material and future complete versions of add-ons such as the other boats, Pacific war and everything else we could imagine. I could even see the future of modding being the modder offering something to UBI, them adding it in and releasing it, and the modder getting paid for it! I see all of this as a great possibility.

That said, the last two years have proven to me that I can't always afford an internet connection, so I won't be able to play it at all. And I play games to keep me happy while I can't go somewhere to get online.

So that's the big deal for me, and I won't be buying it now, as they refuse to let me play it (assuming all this is true, of course).

[martes86]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

However, i fail to see what complaining will really do for you besides maybe raise your blood pressure.

Ubi is NOT your friend.

Ubi is a corporation out to make money

dont be delusional about it.

You think we don't know that?
I think that now you're the one that's gotten the wrong directions of the protest. The protests are not just to stink the place for no reason. Showing our disagreement and anger about this matter is definitely a way to show we don't like what's been done, and, in some cases, opinions can change the final outcome. The best example is SH3's dynamic campaign and its delay from september to march, that made it much more likable than what it might have been had it been released earlier, and without the people's protests.

And there's no real reason to stink the place, just being civil, polite, and respectful, points can be made, and those shall show Ubi the mistake of their positions. It's been proven to work, why shouldn't it work now?

[trenken]

Originally Posted by martes86

You think we don't know that?
I think that now you're the one that's gotten the wrong directions of the protest. The protests are not just to stink the place for no reason. Showing our disagreement and anger about this matter is definitely a way to show we don't like what's been done, and, in some cases, opinions can change the final outcome. The best example is SH3's dynamic campaign and its delay from september to march, that made it much more likable than what it might have been had it been released earlier, and without the people's protests.

And there's no real reason to stink the place, just being civil, polite, and respectful, points can be made, and those shall show Ubi the mistake of their positions. It's been proven to work, why shouldn't it work now?

You have to know a little about technology to know that this is a lost cause. When you make a game that uses DRM, so much of the game is structured around that system. This is not something that this small community is going to get changed. It would delay the game for a year or more.

It's a large structural change that would need to take place, its simply not happening. Live with it or stop crying about it because it is what it is, dont buy the game if you dont want. Simple as that.

[piri_reis]

Originally Posted by trenken

It's a large structural change that would need to take place, its simply not happening. Live with it or stop crying about it because it is what it is, dont buy the game if you dont want. Simple as that.

You got some pretty flawed logic my friend.
This is a single player game not an MMO. So it should have minimal amount of code about the DRM. I bet it's just a wrapper around the core SH5 code, and some more on the savegame/patch update engine. It could be very easy to take out for the developers, if UBI ever decided to do so.

And Subsim is the biggest community of online simmers, just what are you talking about

[trenken]

Originally Posted by piri_reis

I bet it's just a wrapper around the core SH5 code

Hehe, wikipedia is your friend. It's not a wrapper. It's something that is decided before anything is done on the game because every single aspect of the game needs to know how to work with DRM. Do some research.

About the community, noone is saying its not the biggest, but it is still relatively small to all the gamers that would buy SH5. Im pretty sure they arent going to delay and rebuild aspect of this game for a handful of people here. Seriously man...

[Letum]

If we buy something we should own it.

If I buy an football I should be able to kick it anywhere at any time I like.

Buy a football from Ubi and you have to ring them up to ask them to use
it and stay on the phone whilst kicking it, even though you paid for it.
That doesn't sound like owning the football to me.

[trenken]

Originally Posted by Letum

If we buy something we should own it.

If I buy an football I should be able to kick it anywhere at any time I like.

Buy a football from Ubi and you have to ring them up to ask them to use
it and stay on the phone whilst kicking it, even though you paid for it.
That doesn't sound like owning the football to me.

You do own it. Your save data will remain on their server for many years. Whats the problem here? Your PC dies, you simply install SH5 on a new one, continue where you left off. No transferring saves or anything, which is often a pain in the ass with games like this.

This is the reason why most PC dev's are using this now. What, do you think they're all delusional, every one of them going with an awful system? Come on.

[danlisa]

Originally Posted by trenken

You do own it......

So you're saying that I can decide when and where to use it. I don't need Ubis say so and can play when the urge takes me.

Long car journeys, train journeys, plane trips etc.......

OH WAIT YOU NEED A PERMANENT INTERNET CONNECTION.