Terrorist attack in Paris on French magazine

Onkel Neal · 01-07-15, 09:00 AM

I'm starting a new thread on this horrific event, since the original one got off to a bad start. Try to keep the ideology to a minimum. Discuss the news, add your opinion, but try not to ruin this into the ground

Betonov · 01-07-15, 09:03 AM

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30710883

One thing I love about satirical media, they won't let themselves be bullied like this, no matter how tragical.

Tchocky · 01-07-15, 09:05 AM

Doing the rounds on Twitter. Heartening to see.

I wonder how the police response will stack up against the Boston Marathon manhunt, seeing as the gunmen are still at large.

Jimbuna · 01-07-15, 09:06 AM

A terrible senseless act of barbarism....I was especially moved when I saw the police officer who had been wounded being executed with a single shot to the head whilst holding his hands up in surrender

Where next?

Oberon · 01-07-15, 09:32 AM

Could be anywhere Jim, we are at war after all. The enemy will grow stronger or weaker depending partially on our actions, but make no mistake we must not give in to extremism, nor answer it with extremism of our own.
I hope the French police catch these terrorists alive and they are denied the chance to martyr themselves.

Betonov · 01-07-15, 09:35 AM

They should all understand (wishfull thinking) that the less they behave like barbarians, the less their prophet would be mocked.

Armistead · 01-07-15, 10:09 AM

Gonna see more and more of this. The world is at war with radical Islam and we can't figure how to deal with so called moderate Islam without offense to war with the radicals. It's gonna continue to worsen and eventually a major showdown....

Oberon · 01-07-15, 10:16 AM

That is exactly the thing, it is how we treat moderate Islam, either we drive them into the arms of the extremists and make more work for ourselves, or we work at driving a wedge between them and the extremists and cut off the extremists manpower base. It's not foolproof, you are going to get incidents like this, but if you take the national population of Muslims of a country and the number of extremists in that country and compare the two it is hardly an overwhelming majority, unlike some people would have you believe, for their own political and ideological causes.

Armistead · 01-07-15, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

That is exactly the thing, it is how we treat moderate Islam, either we drive them into the arms of the extremists and make more work for ourselves, or we work at driving a wedge between them and the extremists and cut off the extremists manpower base. It's not foolproof, you are going to get incidents like this, but if you take the national population of Muslims of a country and the number of extremists in that country and compare the two it is hardly an overwhelming majority, unlike some people would have you believe, for their own political and ideological causes.

Well, just look at the numbers of so called moderates that want to ban free speech against Muhammad and are OK for those that offend their religion to be killed.

The only ones that can drive a true wedge are moderate Muslims, which mean they have to go to war in mass against radical, in principle and law. The fact is Islam run states won't do this.

In nations like France large radical populations are growing, you have possible 1000's joining ISIS and other radical groups and they seem to have free roam back and forth....It's eventually going to turn into a civil war or clash of civilizations. Radicals only want to grow and terror so much as they keep gaining power, but eventually we'll all be involved in another major ME war..

The only thing that can reform Islam is Islam....

Betonov · 01-08-15, 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

A terrible senseless act of barbarism....I was especially moved when I saw the police officer who had been wounded being executed with a single shot to the head whilst holding his hands up in surrender

Slovene media just wrote, that the murdered policeman was a muslim

Oberon · 01-08-15, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Betonov

Slovene media just wrote, that the murdered policeman was a muslim

In before suggestions of collusion.

Sailor Steve · 01-07-15, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Oh yeah, there it shows up again: this dream of a "moderate Islam". Not even six hours from first calling the news to mentioning moderate Islam - not bad, but it could be mentioned even faster!

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Try to keep the ideology to a minimum. Discuss the news, add your opinion, but try not to ruin this into the ground

The original version of this was locked for a reason. Please try to keep that from happening a second time.

Cybermat47 · 01-08-15, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Betonov

But c'mon, we really need to send a lot of the bad eggs back home.

Or better yet, lock them up so they can't stir up trouble back home.

Betonov · 01-08-15, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Cybermat47

Or better yet, lock them up so they can't stir up trouble back home.

I hear China has a lot of rare earth deposits.
We supply the workforce and keep 3/4 of the ore

Schroeder · 01-08-15, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

I guess that since I do not believe in answering extremism with extremism or violence with violence that I am weak, socialist, communist, European, reasonophobic, Errr...have I missed any of the usual terms treated as derogatory around here? Gun-hating perhaps?
That's fine, I've spent just as long as Skybird defending my beliefs and trying, trying to teach tolerance, understanding and love to a crowd which doesn't believe in any of that. That's fine, if people want to live in fear and hated, and become as bitter and angry as the people they claim to be fighting, then I guess that is their choice. With any luck I'll be long dead before the consequences of such limited thought come into play.

Wasn't there a guy in the UK who once thought the same way? I guess his name was Chamberlain and we know how the story ended. Sometimes the peaceful way doesn't work as it requires your opponent to accept logic and reasoning. Both are lacking in hate filled ideologies and religions. Just waiting and appeasing doesn't always work.

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I wish these threads would stop getting so screwed up.

Part of me wants the GT forum to be deleted, so we can focus on talking about submarines. That's why we're here, right?

That's why we have submarine simulation forums and a separated GT. You don't like GT you stay out of it and discuss submarines in the submarine forums. No GT topics there.

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And deport those that are filled with hate speech.
I don't mind Ahmed coming in with his wife and 3 children and then work as a janitor or engineer, sending his kids trough college to become the next generation of engineers and doctors.

But c'mon, we really need to send a lot of the bad eggs back home.

I fully agree with your post.

01-07-15, 09:00 AM	#1
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,385 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	Terrorist attack in Paris on French magazine I'm starting a new thread on this horrific event, since the original one got off to a bad start. Try to keep the ideology to a minimum. Discuss the news, add your opinion, but try not to ruin this into the ground __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

01-07-15, 09:05 AM	#3
Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,874 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Doing the rounds on Twitter. Heartening to see. I wonder how the police response will stack up against the Boston Marathon manhunt, seeing as the gunmen are still at large. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

01-07-15, 09:06 AM	#4
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,645 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	A terrible senseless act of barbarism....I was especially moved when I saw the police officer who had been wounded being executed with a single shot to the head whilst holding his hands up in surrender Where next? __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

01-07-15, 10:09 AM	#7
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Gonna see more and more of this. The world is at war with radical Islam and we can't figure how to deal with so called moderate Islam without offense to war with the radicals. It's gonna continue to worsen and eventually a major showdown.... __________________ You see my dog don't like people laughing. He gets the crazy idea you're laughing at him. Now if you apologize like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it.

01-07-15, 09:03 AM	#2
Betonov Navy Seal Join Date: May 2009 Location: Slovenia Posts: 8,647 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30710883 One thing I love about satirical media, they won't let themselves be bullied like this, no matter how tragical.

01-07-15, 09:32 AM	#5
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Could be anywhere Jim, we are at war after all. The enemy will grow stronger or weaker depending partially on our actions, but make no mistake we must not give in to extremism, nor answer it with extremism of our own. I hope the French police catch these terrorists alive and they are denied the chance to martyr themselves.

01-07-15, 09:35 AM	#6
Betonov Navy Seal Join Date: May 2009 Location: Slovenia Posts: 8,647 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	They should all understand (wishfull thinking) that the less they behave like barbarians, the less their prophet would be mocked.

01-07-15, 10:16 AM	#8
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	That is exactly the thing, it is how we treat moderate Islam, either we drive them into the arms of the extremists and make more work for ourselves, or we work at driving a wedge between them and the extremists and cut off the extremists manpower base. It's not foolproof, you are going to get incidents like this, but if you take the national population of Muslims of a country and the number of extremists in that country and compare the two it is hardly an overwhelming majority, unlike some people would have you believe, for their own political and ideological causes.