The proposed health care bill thread (merged)

[SteamWake]

:rotfl:

So sad this is true.

[Tchocky]

Holy crap.


A national piece of legislation designed to rework the structure, funding, and purpose of a central element of society might actually be complex.

Here's a rather good description of what will and won't be going on under the proposed legislation.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr...s_health-.html

[geetrue]

Where is China on that chart?

Shouldn't we consult with them on what to do with their money?

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by geetrue

Where is China on that chart?

Shouldn't we consult with them on what to do with their money?

You silly, the money is going to come from the 'rich'

[geetrue]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

You silly, the money is going to come from the 'rich'

Oh never mind ... I'll just go read my chain email lol

That must be where I got that idea ...

[SteamWake]

Wait a minute "Central part of society" up till now healthcare has been my own private concearn.

Yea its soaking up nearly 20% of my income but Im covered, recieve good care, and no goverment involvement.

So I suppose with goverment health care it will soak up at least 20% of my income, recieve decent care (albeit if I can get it and dont have to wait months for it) being totally run by the federal goverment.

Frankly I prefer the former.

[Max2147]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Wait a minute "Central part of society" up till now healthcare has been my own private concearn.

Yea its soaking up nearly 20% of my income but Im covered, recieve good care, and no goverment involvement.

So I suppose with goverment health care it will soak up at least 20% of my income, recieve decent care (albeit if I can get it and dont have to wait months for it) being totally run by the federal goverment.

Frankly I prefer the former.

You can keep your private insurer. Nobody's forcing you to switch to the government plan.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Max2147

You can keep your private insurer. Nobody's forcing you to switch to the government plan.

Good and as long as I pay for my insurance, I should not be asked to pay into the Health Care insurance pool, either.

That's what's missing from this chart, most of the money will come from people who will not use the insurance.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Good and as long as I pay for my insurance, I should not be asked to pay into the Health Care insurance pool, either.

That's what's missing from this chart, most of the money will come from people who will not use the insurance.

Christ, could not agree more.

[Tchocky]

Same with most government goods, really.

Earn more, pay more.

Those who earn more tend not to use so many government services (state healthcare, public schools, social welfare) as those lower down on the pay scale, but proportionally more is paid by the rich.

THe government pays for almost half of the US health system already (I think around 45%, could be wrong). The situation seems to be that the US pays a lot more per capita for healthcare, without substantially better results than countries such as France or the Netherlands. Question is, is the current system optimal?

EDIT - and when you think about it, most people won't use insurance anyway. That's how it works. If only sick or likely-to-be-sick people were to take out insurance, the cost of premiums would skyrocket, leaving a lot of people out of the loop, likely to be sick and unable to get treatment. That to me is a strong (brief) argument for a public plan option.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

That's what's missing from this chart, most of the money will come from people who will not use the insurance.

That's true for any insurance. Heck, it's what the whole idea of what insurance is. I don't see the problem here.

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by Max2147

You can keep your private insurer. Nobody's forcing you to switch to the government plan.

Sure that sounds great but I wonder how is a private plan supposed to compete with an entity that does not have to make a profit?

In other words private health care will be driven out of buisness.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Sure that sounds great but I wonder how is a private plan supposed to compete with an entity that does not have to make a profit?

In other words private health care will be driven out of buisness.

In the end, yes. Why should my boss continue to pay for our own healthcare policy when he does not have to nor has to worry about it anymore? He does'nt and he won't.

[Max2147]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Sure that sounds great but I wonder how is a private plan supposed to compete with an entity that does not have to make a profit?

In other words private health care will be driven out of buisness.

If there are enough people like you who prefer their private health insurers, then they will stay around.

You can't say that the government insurer will be awful then in the next breath say that it will be so good that it will drive everybody else out of business.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Sure that sounds great but I wonder how is a private plan supposed to compete with an entity that does not have to make a profit?

In other words private health care will be driven out of buisness.

That is the best thing about it. Profits aren't placed above patient care. The object of a corporation is to maximize shareholder return. The only way this is done with a private health insurance company is to deny care, therefore placing the almighty dollar above someones right to live.

I say to hell with them. The best thing in the world would be if every single one of the evil and heartless bastards was run out of business.