Open carry in Oklahoma - Page 3

August · 11-03-12, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Morts

I think what was meant by that, is that it would be easier to single out who to rob if they were going for guns.

You have a point although I think pick pockets would be a greater threat.

CaptainHaplo · 11-03-12, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by August

You have a point although I think pick pockets would be a greater threat.

A baseball bat isn't really concealable. Approaching a visibly armed individual with a bat isn't a good way to stay alive if you have bad intentions. Carrying visibly is a warning - the person carrying is able - and willing - to defend himself against his/her person or their family, etc - with lethal force.

Not many criminals are looking for someone to kill them. They want an easy target. A helpless one if possible.

Regarding having your gun taken from you - again - situational awareness and proper tools. Carrying openly without a retention holster is just plain stupid. Just like carrying concealed and printing is.

MH · 11-03-12, 06:01 PM

Open/concealed carry laws makes no sense at all to me.
Unless carrying gun for deterrence there is no reason to open carry but also as said here this may also attract unwanted attention in other situations.
Yet in case the state trust you to carry a gun what is the point in making all those ridiculous laws.

August · 11-03-12, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

A baseball bat isn't really concealable. Approaching a visibly armed individual with a bat isn't a good way to stay alive if you have bad intentions. Carrying visibly is a warning - the person carrying is able - and willing - to defend himself against his/her person or their family, etc - with lethal force.

Not many criminals are looking for someone to kill them. They want an easy target. A helpless one if possible.

Regarding having your gun taken from you - again - situational awareness and proper tools. Carrying openly without a retention holster is just plain stupid. Just like carrying concealed and printing is.

Exactly that's why I think stealth would be more successful. If they can take a persons watch and wallet without them knowing it I don't see how that glock would be any more difficult.

MH · 11-03-12, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by August

Exactly that's why I think stealth would be more successful. If they can take a persons watch and wallet without them knowing it I don't see how that glock would be any more difficult.

If your gun can be taken from you without you knowing it then you do somthing wrong....

August · 11-03-12, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MH

If your gun can be taken from you without you knowing it then you do somthing wrong....

Same thing for wallet and watch yet it happens.

CaptainHaplo · 11-03-12, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by August

Exactly that's why I think stealth would be more successful. If they can take a persons watch and wallet without them knowing it I don't see how that glock would be any more difficult.

Which is why a retention holster should be considered standard.
A standard holster has no locking mechanism - a retention holster does. They come in multiple levels as well - and many manufacturers have different nuances. So its like the difference between sneaking a wallet out of someone's back pocket - and sneaking out the wallet - and the chain that is attached to a front belt loop.

LE use retention holsters for this exact reason. Sure - the rare case is that they get into a tussle with someone who goes for their gun. The fact is retention gives you the ability to not lose your firearm. Besides - if you let someone get that close - you damned near deserve to get your firearm taken away.

Red October1984 · 11-03-12, 07:55 PM

I'll get on my Redneck soapbox.

'Merica. Lightin' fires and burnin' tires since 1775.

*escorted off by Al Gore and police*

Around where I live, everyone owns a gun and everyone carries at the very least a knife. Crime isnt as high as the cities but it makes people feel safer. What i can't stand are those people who buy up guns and ammo because of the "Zombie Apocalypse."

Guns are a wonderful part of life, and in the hands of somebody who knows to keep the end with the hole pointed in a safe direction, they can be pretty darn safe. We use them for many things and self defense just happens to be one of them.

August · 11-03-12, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

Which is why a retention holster should be considered standard.
A standard holster has no locking mechanism - a retention holster does. They come in multiple levels as well - and many manufacturers have different nuances. So its like the difference between sneaking a wallet out of someone's back pocket - and sneaking out the wallet - and the chain that is attached to a front belt loop.

LE use retention holsters for this exact reason. Sure - the rare case is that they get into a tussle with someone who goes for their gun. The fact is retention gives you the ability to not lose your firearm. Besides - if you let someone get that close - you damned near deserve to get your firearm taken away.

I've heard of chain wallets being lifted so I think you're underestimating the skill of a good pickpocket or team of pickpockets. After all we're talking about open carry for the general public which means open carry in situations like this:

You don't think a gun could be slipped off someones hip on this street? Remember once it is separated from the victim it can be concealed almost instantaneously. The victim might even feel it go but it's going to be tough to know who done it.

Stealhead · 11-03-12, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

Well, that's where gun training should come in, if Fat Man comes off his stool, then hopefully his Glock will have its safety on and have an empty chamber.
Of course, this increases the time required between draw and fire, but stops you from shooting yourself in the arse.

That being said, I am rather rusty on the nature of modern pistols, and being a Brit we don't get into that really, we prefer knives...

Glocks do not have a "flick" safety they have a trigger safety one reason why I do not own one I dislike the idea of any weapon that has no true safety.If you look at a Glock trigger you'll see a protrusion in the center that must be depressed for the weapon to fire Glock calls it integrated trigger safety.I have no idea how likely they are to going off from being dropped.Most modern handguns when the safety is "on" the firing pin can not possibly strike the primer even if you cock that hammer and let it go or drop the gun. Glocks do have "drop safety" so it most likely about as safe as any other modern firearm if dropped with a round in the chamber in other words very unlikely to go off.

Safe to say that most people that carry open or concealed they carry it fully locked and loaded with hammer closed safety on and some even go hammer back safety on with a double action you have a harder trigger pull if the hammer is closed but aiming center mass that does not really matter.Someone said that only a moron would carry a gun with a round in the chamber well tell every coop that you see that he is a moron because they all carry with a round in chamber if the gun is on safe it is very safe.I think that any person who carries a firearm on a regualr basis who does not carry it fully loaded is a moron.If something does happen you have seconds to react it takes way too long to sit there and pull a slide back pretty much your numbers up if the other guy is already shooting at you or with in 15 feet or you charging with a knife your dead.The less steps to have the weapon ready to fire the better since you can carry with round in chamber with safety on safely why would you not? Safety on till you are ready to squeeze the trigger safety on when your done.

The best counter to someone grabbing a pistol from it holster is to have a holster that has a catch that must be tripped in order to release the gun some cops use these but they are not a requirement in most cases the other counter is to lanyard the gun to the holster which is very common with armed forces of course one could get strangled by the lanyard or the entire holster could get pulled off and then the dude has your gun with a holster and belt dangling from it.

Still in a crowded place like in August picture someone could still walk up behind you stick their gun or knife in your back and disarm you if they felt that a sneaky grab would fail.

In a rural area you are more likely to need to fend off an animal than another person as in rural areas the assumption that you are armed is high automatically everyone else will assume that you have a firearm and likely more than one.My friends dad he has an FN FNP-9 9mm in a fanny pack and in his truck seat he has a Bulgarian AK-74 in a case with two 30 round magazines sometimes it is an AR-15 instead but he always has a side arm and a long arm with him and that is not uncommon where I live out in Florida cracker country around here when a cop pulls you over he or she watches you like a hawk and looks into your windows very closely.

MH · 11-04-12, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Stealhead

.Someone said that only a moron would carry a gun with a round in the chamber well tell every coop that you see that he is a moron because they all carry with a round in chamber if the gun is on safe it is very safe.I think that any person who carries a firearm on a regualr basis who does not carry it fully loaded is a moron..

Well...i hope you know what you sre doing.

Pulling a gun from holster and loading bullet into the chamber tskes aproximatly the same time as pulling the gun and droping safty....if you dont have time for that...beter just use your gun as brick.
Walking around in the city with loaded gun is stupid...even for a cop...unless on a way or in proximity of crime.

Platapus · 11-04-12, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by geetrue

I remember when I bought my tarus 44 special and asked where the safety was at.

Was that a Taurus Tracker?

Them's good shootin irons. I am not a fan of wheel guns, but the Tracker looks like a good un.

Platapus · 11-04-12, 07:25 AM

A baseball bat was only used an as an example.

I should have used a pointed stick instead

Red October1984 · 11-04-12, 10:22 AM

Ok. So a few of you are calling this stupid.

Carrying guns is an American thing. How many of you are from other countries? Of course you would have different viewpoints on this issue.

MH · 11-04-12, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Red October1984

Ok. So a few of you are calling this stupid.

I call stupid walking in to the bar with loaded gun on safety
In may experience(depending on gun)safety has this freakish tendency to change position once in awhile for unknown reasons lol
You don't walk around with loaded gun unless you are aware of it all the time and/or have to.

11-03-12, 07:55 PM	#38
Red October1984 Airplane Nerd Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 6,243 Downloads: 115 Uploads: 0	I'll get on my Redneck soapbox. 'Merica. Lightin' fires and burnin' tires since 1775. escorted off by Al Gore and police Around where I live, everyone owns a gun and everyone carries at the very least a knife. Crime isnt as high as the cities but it makes people feel safer. What i can't stand are those people who buy up guns and ammo because of the "Zombie Apocalypse." Guns are a wonderful part of life, and in the hands of somebody who knows to keep the end with the hole pointed in a safe direction, they can be pretty darn safe. We use them for many things and self defense just happens to be one of them. __________________

11-04-12, 07:25 AM	#43
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,373 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	A baseball bat was only used an as an example. I should have used a pointed stick instead __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

11-04-12, 10:22 AM	#44
Red October1984 Airplane Nerd Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 6,243 Downloads: 115 Uploads: 0	Ok. So a few of you are calling this stupid. Carrying guns is an American thing. How many of you are from other countries? Of course you would have different viewpoints on this issue. __________________

11-03-12, 06:01 PM	#33
MH Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 3,184 Downloads: 248 Uploads: 0	Open/concealed carry laws makes no sense at all to me. Unless carrying gun for deterrence there is no reason to open carry but also as said here this may also attract unwanted attention in other situations. Yet in case the state trust you to carry a gun what is the point in making all those ridiculous laws.